(August 1, 2014 at 12:49 pm)alpha male Wrote: And you've been answered multiple times. God tells us to forgive because we've been forgiven ourselves.
No definition of "forgive" that I can find involves a payment. It's a flat-out cancellation, going forward. God didn't do that, unless you're saying Jesus' death on the cross was unrelated.
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(August 1, 2014 at 12:49 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you answered those questions, we'd see again that justice is a matter of opinion. Yours is different from god's.
And God's notion of justice is arbitrary, and the whole charade was unnecessary.
(August 1, 2014 at 1:39 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Christ didn't symbolically pay our sin debt, He functionally paid it.
By dying and then coming right back? How is that a payment?
If people had the ability to resurrect their goats, do you think God would have been appeased if they brought their burnt offerings back from the dead three days later, so they didn't have to lose one of their goats (i.e. sacrifice their goat).