WHY was Jesus cricified?

[orangebox21]

Yes, I gave you the state analogy, but god doesn't equate to the state for several reasons. First, the state is a collective of those likely hurt by crime, i.e. people.

The 'state' is the collective of individual people, the people make the laws and so the debt is to the people. It follows then that if God makes the laws the debt is to God. It's the same principle at work.

Second, because unlike the state god takes a hand's off, i.e. free will approach.

Please explain what you mean by free will and how free will doesn't apply to the state but does apply to God.

Third, unlike the state god had no authority to speak for humans.

I'm not following your point please explain.

Really? You mean because god is infinite he is infinite in his capacity to be hurt? Possible. But infinitely hurt by any wrong? That's just silly.

At the risk of offending you, your argument is: 'that's just silly.' That's not a good reason to believe what you do.

Um? What does the trinity have to do with it (no I haven't read Flatland--who wrote it?). Please explain step by step. We atheists is apparently ignorant.

Sure.

One difficulty of understanding the trinity is point of reference. Flatland, among other things, exemplifies the difficulty of understand concepts outside our frame of reference.


Edwin Abbott wrote the book. A brief synopsis:

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The story is about a two-dimensional world referred to as Flatland which is occupied by geometric figures. Women are simple line-segments, while men are polygons with various numbers of sides. The narrator is a humble square, a member of the social caste of gentlemen and professionals in a society of geometric figures, who guides the readers through some of the implications of life in two dimensions. The Square has a dream about a visit to a one-dimensional world (Lineland) which is inhabited by "lustrous points". He attempts to convince the realm's ignorant monarch of a second dimension but finds that it is essentially impossible to make him see outside of his eternally straight line.

He is then visited by a three-dimensional sphere, which he cannot comprehend until he sees Spaceland for himself. This Sphere (who remains nameless, like all characters in the novella) visits Flatland at the turn of each millennium to introduce a new apostle to the idea of a third dimension in the hopes of eventually educating the population of Flatland of the existence of Spaceland. From the safety of Spaceland, they are able to observe the leaders of Flatland secretly acknowledging the existence of the sphere and prescribing the silencing of anyone found preaching the truth of Spaceland and the third dimension. After this proclamation is made, many witnesses are massacred or imprisoned (according to caste).

After the Square's mind is opened to new dimensions, he tries to convince the Sphere of the theoretical possibility of the existence of a fourth (and fifth, and sixth ...) spatial dimension. Offended by this presumption and incapable of comprehending other dimensions, the Sphere returns his student to Flatland in disgrace.

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So much like a 'dot' couldn't understand the characteristics of a square who couldn't understand the characteristics of a sphere, a single person/single nature being can't make sense of a three person/single nature being from their perspective alone.

While it depends upon the definition you're using, I wouldn't use 'ignorant' to describe you or our conversations. You seem fairly well read to me.

God cannot deny His nature.

Doesn't that mean he's not omnipotent? lololololol

If you define omnipotence as the ability to do anything imaginable, then yes you would be correct to say that God is not omnipotent.

Explicitly the Bible says God cannot sin, He tempts no man, He cannot lie, He cannot deny Himself.

Implicitly I would propose God can't cause Himself to not exist or create a rock too heavy for Him to carry.