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Did I miss anything?
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RE: Did I miss anything?
(August 3, 2014 at 11:30 pm)Drich Wrote: To become more righteous than the Pharisees is exactly what I am talking about when I say, that we must seek a righteousness apart from the law. As the righteousness the law provided was exemplified in the righteousness of the Pharisees.

The righteousness of the Pharisees was a righteousness based on the acts and actions of a literally and legitimately, holier than thou priestly sect that studied and focused on following the letter of the law all day every day.

No man could do better than the Pharisees did in following the law. That is why Christ extended the law to include thought and matters of the heart. While we can break and train our bodies from doing certain things, we will never be able to contain the evil that resides in our hearts. By outlawing matters of the heart Christ sealed our fates, when it comes to earning righteousness though the law. As it is now impossible to contain and extract the evil from our hearts as we are all literal slaves to sin.

That what He means by our righteousness must now exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. As obtaining this level of righteousness is only possible through redemption. When we are redeemed we become perfect as Christ was perfect, thus gracing us with a righteousness greater than the Pharisees.

So again how am I doomed exactly?

You won't get that redemption, because you aren't even trying to contain the evil that is in your heart. Indeed, you are spending considerable effort justifying why you need to make no effort. You act as if merely putting on a show and saying the right words is enough. Christ makes it very clear that it's not. You are choosing to ignore the law and not follow it, and you teach others to do the same. This makes your seeking of redemption very obviously insincere. Unless your savior is an idiot, he's not going to forgive anybody who doesn't even try to behave like they deserve forgiveness.

Might as well just drop the pretense and be a godless hedonist, for all it will earn you in the end.


(August 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: As I have said over and over the law is not a means to righteousness anymore. That is why it does not apply. The only nt application the law has is to point out sin and convict us to seek redemption. That said do we still follow the law? As I told eq in my big post yes. Not as a means to righteousness but as an expression of Love to God.

I'm not saying that the law is a means to righteousness. Christ isn't saying that. What he (and I) say is that the law is a sincerity test. You can't succeed at following the law, but you are still quite clearly supposed to try with all your might. You don't. No Christian does. Most of you don't bother even making a minimal effort. And none of you feel like you have anything to worry about.

Quote:Again, if you married the woman of your dreams would you cheat on her ten times a day, or would you seek to do what she likes?

If you sought forgiveness from your wife but still kept doing it, how likely is it that you're going to be together in the end?

The way you approach this, you think that by being forgiven for a crime, the crime isn't a crime anymore and you're free to do it now. That's not how it works in the real world, and Jesus is very clear that it's not how it works in your fantasy world, either.
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Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 28, 2014 at 11:27 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by vorlon13 - July 28, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Lemonvariable72 - July 28, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 29, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 29, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 29, 2014 at 7:48 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 29, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 29, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 30, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 31, 2014 at 7:33 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 1, 2014 at 12:07 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - August 1, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 3, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - August 3, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - August 3, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Crossless1 - August 3, 2014 at 2:26 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - August 3, 2014 at 4:08 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 3, 2014 at 7:04 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Crossless1 - August 3, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 3, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Violet - July 29, 2014 at 2:29 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by DeistPaladin - July 28, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by pablo628 - July 29, 2014 at 12:01 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by vorlon13 - July 29, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by ShaMan - July 29, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Minimalist - July 29, 2014 at 2:25 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 29, 2014 at 4:55 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cyberman - July 29, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 29, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cyberman - July 29, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by professor - July 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 29, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Polaris - August 1, 2014 at 1:05 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cyberman - August 2, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cato - August 3, 2014 at 12:27 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 3, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Esquilax - July 29, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Polaris - July 29, 2014 at 11:14 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cato - July 30, 2014 at 12:02 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - July 30, 2014 at 1:42 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 30, 2014 at 7:33 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - July 30, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by KichigaiNeko - July 30, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Mister Agenda - July 30, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by professor - July 30, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - July 30, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Raven - July 30, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - July 30, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Raven - July 31, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 12:27 am
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Cyberman - August 3, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by archangle - August 3, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - August 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Mystical - August 3, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 3, 2014 at 11:30 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Ryantology - August 5, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Did I miss anything? - by Drich - August 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm

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