RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 11, 2014 at 9:15 am
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2014 at 9:29 am by Drich.)
(August 10, 2014 at 3:11 pm)rasetsu Wrote:You didn't read Luke 11 did you?(August 10, 2014 at 11:43 am)Drich Wrote: And according to Christ in luke 11 you can also meet with God. But on his terms and not your own.
Christ never said any such thing you lying sack of shit. You have, but you're not Christ. You have the typical apologist's disease Drich. You come up with an interpretation of a passage, and if it "sounds good" to you, and seems otherwise consistent with the text, you conclude that it's the "true meaning" of the text. The problem is, as anyone who actually knows something about interpreting texts will tell you, there are as many such interpretations as grains of sand on a beach. That you have pulled this one interpretation out of your ass and declared it the word of God is arrogance beyond belief. I can think of plenty of acceptable interpretations of this passage that don't align with yours. The only thing that makes yours true in your eyes is your swelled head (and tiny brain). For one thing, Jesus is talking to people who already have a relationship with God, as clearly implied by the term "friend." If you go knocking at a strangers house at three in the morning, you're as likely to get a shotgun in the face as bread. Furthermore, it assumes, like Pascal's wager, that you've come to the right door. What if the only inhabited house is that of Shiva; you'll be knocking at Yahweh's door a long time. And furthermore, it assumes that Christ is God; if not, this is just some biblical Joe Six-pack's opinion about what "God" will do. I have no more reason to believe Christ is God than I have to believe that I'm hearing God's interpretation of this parable when I listen to you drone on. Again, this is a parable about a "friend" — it says nothing to the unbeliever. And that you've pulled this whole shenanigans from your ass and are too stupid to know that there's a difference between "your word" and "God's word" gives one all the necessary justification to ignore you and your "interpretation." For God's sake, Drich, it's a parable; it fucking invites multiple interpretations. Yet you're too stupid and egotistical to be able to differentiate between your voice and God's voice.
Quote:“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”
― Susan B. Anthony
If you did at the end of it you would have saw what Christ said was the purpose of the a/s/k process.
Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [l]heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”
The Holy Spirit is indeed God. When God The Father, gives someone the gift of the Holy Spirit the H/S then becomes apart of you. It's kinda hard to share space with someone else's and not to get to know them. Hard still to share an existence and not know the being you are sharing with.
Even so, the gift of the Holy Spirit is not given to those who demand it on their terms, according to Christ it is only given of those who ask the Father on His terms.
If you have another interpretation that differs from what Christ said In Verse 13 of Luke 11, I can confidently say it is wrong.
(August 10, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Natachan Wrote: Why should I trust any answer I get?
When I was younger I talked to God and Jesus. I saw them and heard them when I prayed and in my dreams. They gave me sage advice that helped me out at the time. I gained comfort and support from them.
I was brought up in the church. I went to religious schools. I studied theology. I read the bible. So I was primed to believe in God. And if you are primed to believe in something and you go out looking for it already believing, you will find it.
My senses lie to me. My mind plays tricks on me. There is no reason beyond my personal subjective experience to believe in the God I was searching for.
So the alternative is to what? Turn your beliefs and thoughts over to someone in whom you believe to be smarter than you?
(August 10, 2014 at 8:11 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Why does god command others to spread the word when he also says everyone has knowledge of him and he's omnipresent?where does the bible say this?
Quote:Because not all of what's in the bible is true.we are only responsible to what we have been given. God gave us the bible as our 'sole source material.' It is to the bible we must be faithful. If it is incorrect, then it is up to Him to make a change as with the Dead Sea scrolls, or to simply forgive us for following the single source we have.
Quote:Whether Obama has as much control as anyone thinks he does is a different subject than whether or not he exists. We haven't proven that Yahweh exists, much less whether he's the creator of the universe.Again, I never mentioned names. Rather [/quote]I addressed the power of the office for that very reason.
(August 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm)ignoramus Wrote: The OP shouldn't be giving us examples of seeking god with seeking other "real" people.
The OP is so conditioned that god is "real" that he feels comfortable making this comparison.
Seeking god is no different to seeking leprechauns.
Someone tell me why it isn't?
And please don't tell me he said/she said/read it somewhere.....
I did not compare seeking God with individuals. I compared seeking God with seeking an audience with a person who holds the title of a leader of a given nation. The difference? While proof of existence is easier with people however right, title and authority can be a little more subjective.
Again I point out the personage of Christ can be doubted, but for the most part is not when one honestly looks at the historical provenance that surrounds Jesus. However His claim to the rights, authority, and title as the son of God is almost always in question in a group setting such as this.