(May 31, 2010 at 3:59 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:Have you done the research? If so than present me hard evidence that there is a copy of the quran that can be dated back to the seventh century. Such evidence is lacking. Moreover amongst scholars there is considerable doubt and skepticism on the historicity of the texts now in the quran. Basically there are two schools of thought: a non-scientific traditional school claiming authenticity, perfect compilation and divine inspiration, and a skeptical school of thought that from available historical evidence argues for a process of collection from multiple sources spun out over a considerable time after the death of the prophet.Quote:jotted down and collected by many after himdo some searches in that as its not true. the Quran was written as a whole in the life of muhammed(pbuh) by different companions what happened later is making more copies from the original(just after 2 years more copies madefrom the original. the original was written in his life)
its not like what happened with the bible thats why you never hear about Quran different versions am sorry that i cant get u evidance and links now(as am preparing for the next misconception) but maybe i will get to this later
And guess what? The traditional school of thought departs from the notion that the quran is the word of god revealed to Muhammad, so it must have been preserved to perfection throughout the ages since its deliverance. Of course this is circular. Now where have we seen that before?
Muslim orthodoxy holds that the Quran we now possess goes back in its text and in the number and order of the chapters to the work of the commission that Uthman appointed. Muslim orthodoxy holds further that Uthman’s quran contains all of the revelation delivered to the community faithfully preserved without change or variation of any kind and that the acceptance of the ‘Uthmanic quran was all but universal from the day of its distribution. None of this can be supported by the historical evidence.
The rigid stance the modern muslim orthodoxy chooses on the authenticity of the quran has even been doubted by earlier muslim commentators. As-Suyuti (died 1505), one of the most famous commentators of the quran, quotes Ibn ‘Umar al Khattab as saying: "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Quran, for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Quran has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available’".
Canonization of texts took considerable time after Muhammad. But even under the great Koranic scholar Ibn Mujahid (died 935) seven versions were left transmitted through various lines:
1. Nafi of Medina according to Warsh and Qalun
2. Ibn Kathir of Mecca according to al-Bazzi and Qunbul
3. Ibn Amir of Damascus according to Hisham and Ibn Dakwan
4. Abu Amr of Basra according to al-Duri and al-Susi
5. Asim of Kufa according to Hafs and Abu Bakr
6. Hamza of Kuga according to Khalaf and Khallad
7. Al-Kisai of Kufa according to al Duri and Abul Harith
The seven versions refer to actual written and orally transferred text, to distinct versions of quranic verses. Generally in an apologetic context the seven versions are explained (away) as modes of recitation. But in fact the manner and technique of recitation are an entirely different matter.
More and more the analogy with the canonization of the bible emerges from unbiased historical research.
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Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0