Christians. Could you be wrong?

[Huggy Bear]

I didn't say "scientific analysis by a world renowned forensic investigator is not enough evidence for" me. Don't you dare put words into my mouth.

Really, then why did you make this statement?

Your evidence has been examined and found wanting. Next!

You're talking about a former president of The American Society of
Questioned Documents, you don't get to be in that position unless you know what you're talking about.

But yet it's not good enough...smh

Bad Wolf already cast doubt on your equvocation of faith healing and the placebo effect, but I'll take the pitch if you like (I don't play baseball either).

I wouldn't put too much faith in Bad Wolf after he embarrassed himself with his double speak in another thread.

If faith healing is nothing more than the placebo effect, then we're done here. Placebos, as I understand it, do have a role to play in conventional treatment of certain illnesses. To equate that with the claims of faith healers is not only farcical, it's also insulting to anyone who has ever suffered from or lost someone to life-threatening illness and injury. It's on a par with going up to a crash victim suffering from multiple lacerations and internal injuries, giving them two aspirin and telling them to walk it off and they'll feel better.

Faith healing is bullshit and costs lives.

I'll say it one more time: if what you present doesn't stand up to the pressures of examination even slightly, stop whining about it. Get better evidence. Or better claims.

responding to the part in bold.

You do realize what a placebo is right? It's a fake treatment, meaning there was no actual medical treatment preformed and yet the patients health improved. the "placebo effect" contributes this to the faith of the patient.

pla·ce·bo ef·fect
noun
noun: placebo effect; plural noun: placebo effects

a beneficial effect, produced by a placebo drug or treatment, that cannot be attributed to the properties of the placebo itself, and must therefore be due to the patient's belief in that treatment.

did you not read the quote from the Scientific American?

a patient’s expectations and beliefs can greatly affect the
course of an illness.

even they acknowledge that healing can occur based on faith.

No, faith healing is when someone gets healed by the power of god. The placebo effect is not caused by gods power. Therefore, they aren't the same.

You haven't explained anything. As stated before, a placebo is a fake treatment, so explain how a patient is able to be healed even though no medical procedure has been preformed?

Also faith healing is when one is healed through the power of faith, hence the name.

the example I gave is when a certain woman believed she would be healed if she touched Jesus robe, and in doing so Jesus said that "her faith had made her well" not him.