(August 13, 2014 at 8:35 am)Drich Wrote:(August 12, 2014 at 9:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yeah that last part is a huge problem I have with a lot of theologian's attempts at explaining God. Apparently if he gave us undeniable evidence of his existence, we would no longer need faith because we would have evidence...which is somehow bad? But, if you speak to theists, many will say they do have incontrovertible and undeniable evidence of God, either through looking at creation or through a personal experience. So..apparently they get to have the revelation that cannot be denied, but I can't?
Also, I don't know why God changed his policy on revealing himself to us, since the number of miracles and godly acts in the Bible is so high. Maybe he just got tired.
The primary problem you are having is that you use terms like evidence and miracle, and default to fiction to give you your definitions.
For example what does undeniable evidence of God look like in this world?
Define what a miracle is.
(August 12, 2014 at 9:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yeah that last part is a huge problem I have with a lot of theologian's attempts at explaining God. Apparently if he gave us undeniable evidence of his existence, we would no longer need faith because we would have evidence...which is somehow bad? But, if you speak to theists, many will say they do have incontrovertible and undeniable evidence of God, either through looking at creation or through a personal experience. So..apparently they get to have the revelation that cannot be denied, but I can't?I agree there is a huge problem in what you have pointed out. However I do not agree to the source of said problem.
Also, I don't know why God changed his policy on revealing himself to us, since the number of miracles and godly acts in the Bible is so high. Maybe he just got tired.
Define miracle and out line what indisputable evidence of God looks like.
Hah, not my problem man. It's the Christians that say they have indisputable evidence or revelation of God through his miracles, not me. I'm just making the point that apprently they have had experiences that make it impossible for them not to believe in God, which blows free will out of the water.
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- Thomas Jefferson
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