Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

Seeking a personal relationship with god, has nothing to do with it. The point is that using one's inner self to test the truth of a proposition, or to find a truth is a method that creates believers in all sorts of thing, religious and otherwise supernatural. As those things often contradict each other, it's obvious the method is unreliable.

This method is the very same method we apply in every day life. It is as reliable as you are faithful to your quest for truth.

And I just explained above, that while that might actually work in the sense that it produces belief in god in some people, it is a stupid way of going about discovering the truth about anything but your own insides.
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Then take God out of the equasion and tell me how the indivisual elements of Ask Seek and Knock are not a viable way to determine the truth about a given subject... If you can be honest with yourself and just look at the elements by themselves you will see that you use this method all the time in everyday life.

The point is not what you seek when you read and then look within for truth; it's that if you do, you will find what your are seeking. You presupposed the Biblical god and found him. Others presuppose other things and find those things. For a Mormon example see here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-27960.html

where have i EVER Said one looks with in?[/quote]

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I think Callisto, Alcmene, Europa, Leda, and Danae would disagree with you. Zeus got all up and personal on them.
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Is it your belief that Zeus is an active/currently being worshiped deity?

From everything you've said here it really seems like you had some huge preconceptions yourself.

From what i have said, what makes you believe anything i have shared was a preconception? Not that i haven't had them in the past, but nothing I have shared here was a preconception. What I have shared is post experience.

What is heaven then if not the ultimate reward for being a good little sheep?

For the Bible based Christian it is not the reward. Heaven for the Bible Based Christian is simply a venue, where our most precious commodities are common place building materials. Your think of catholisim or Muslim beliefs in the after life[/quote].

Bribing people with a massive reward or threatening them with eternal punishment seems like the absolute worst way to strike up a conversation. "Hey babe, come have a drink and chat with me or I'll torture you forever." Worst. Pick-up line. Ever.

I do not disagree.