(August 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 3:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Alright, I thought you meant immediately post-observation, but that's fine. Yes, observation is the first step.
No, you can't have evidence to form a question, that's nonsensical. YOu record observations, and form a question that requires evidence to conclude. That's how hypotheses are proven wrong, because they aren't supported by evidence.
Wrong, for instance, the discovery of Neptune occurred when gravitational perturbation in the orbit of Uranus was observed and seen as evidence of an undiscovered planet.
(August 13, 2014 at 3:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Additionally, you're conflating observations and claims. Scientific observations are recordings of events or data points, which are then investigated to find the cause of the observation. Your faith healing/God-creator/etc claims are claiming an explanation right off the bat.
How many scientific articles do I have to post defining the "Placebo effect" as healing through faith?
(August 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Belief and faith are two different things. Now there isn't any point addressing the rest of what you said.
Now people can clearly see what it is I'm dealing with. Humor me though, how are they different?
You have the order of things here very messed up. The observation was not "There is an undiscovered planet", the observation was the gravitational disturbance in the first place. The disturbance is the observation, not the evidence. The claim (or hypothesis) would then be that another planet exists, and further investigation reveals that yes, the disturbance is indeed caused by Neptune.
They didn't see the gravitational disturbance and suddenly have it revealed that it was Neptune that was causing it. The disturbance is an observation that was investigated, and until there was a hypothesis to test, it wasn't considered evidence for anything besides itself as a phenomenon.
And to your second point, your understanding of the placebo effect is about as flawed as your apparent understanding of the scientific method. Yes, the placebo effect exists. It's been tested and examined and measured in your-God-knows how many experiments. We know it happens. What we don't know is WHY it happens, or why it happens to some people and not others, why effects different people in different magnitudes. The placebo effect is no more "Faith" healing than it is "homeopathic" healing or "water cystal" healing. You don't get to slap on your ill-defined pseudoscientific 'faith' label bullshit on an unconcluded scientific question.
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