(August 13, 2014 at 4:30 pm)Esquilax Wrote: And if you want to treat faith healing and placebos as one and the same, fine. But you can remove any trace of a god claim at the same time, because there's sure as fuck no evidence for any form of divine existence or intervention in that.
(August 13, 2014 at 4:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Like the others, I still see no god or supernatural shit that definition. Again, you're assuming an explanation instead of investigating the effect (which is what scientists are doing). As I said before, we know the placebo effect is a phenomenon that happens, you don't get to toss in a god as an explanation.
(August 13, 2014 at 4:52 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: So someone who doesn't believe in a god but rather, say, the power of their own mind is given drug 'x' which results in a placebo and the resolution of their given ailment.
Your conclusion, please?
Maybe you guys should pay more attention, because way back on page 3 of this thread I stated, and I quote:
(August 13, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Also as a side note, faith has nothing to do with religion, anyone is capable of having faith, as documented by the "placebo effect".