RE: Hey Anti-Theists! Prove Your Claim
August 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2014 at 3:41 pm by Dystopia.)
(August 15, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(August 15, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Blackout Wrote: That's not anti-theism... That's Gnostic/Strong atheism, the belief no gods exist. Anti-theism is the opposition to belief/god concept and not the assertion that god can't exist. I'm mostly an agnostic atheist and I'm an anti-theist.
I'm an anti-theist and I'm not even sure I'm opposed to God as a concept. In fact, it most certainly is the logical extension of conceptions that we can only experience in terms of contingency and so long as God is an ideal that serves as the basis for our systematic unity from which we perceive the world, fine.
But that's not to say that God as an idea can be said to exist in experience. Any dogmatic claim to that should be opposed, especially when coupled with notions of God not sufficiently supported by reason, as we find in all religions. The statement "Man created God in his own image" appears to be, in fact, the case.
That's where I think anti-theism stands in the correct.
Sure, there isn't just one definition of anti-theism, check my reply on the previous pages (probably the second one) where I explain the 3 typical meanings attributed to anti-theism. I'm deducing that in your case you are more opposed to people believing in god, specially when they claim god exists, and not against the god concept per se, whereas in my case I'm more opposed to the idea of god (man made) than to people believing, even though I don't think being a believer is good either.
My point was to assert that believing no gods exist doesn't correlate with anti-theism, but with gnostic atheism. If I make the claim that gods don't exist with 100% certainty, I have the burden of proof and my assertion is a positive one, I possess knowledge (or at least claim so), therefore I'm a gnostic atheist. But that doesn't make me an anti-theist, like Rhythm pointed out, I could be a theist if I knew god existed, and still be an anti-theist because I thought god was evil and felt like rebelling against him
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