RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:39 am
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2014 at 10:43 am by bennyboy.)
(August 16, 2014 at 10:26 am)Blackout Wrote: Physical beauty standards. If beauty is subjective, then why do fashion designers only chose people with certain facial and physical features? Do you really think I could become a model if I was, let's say, ultra short, had a gigantic belly and my nose was un-proportional to the rest of my face?Yes, you could become a model with those traits, if you were in a culture where those traits were considered beautiful.
(August 16, 2014 at 10:37 am)Blackout Wrote:Finding the traits that most people do NOT consider beautiful is not the same as determining that what they DO consider beautiful is objective.(August 16, 2014 at 10:34 am)Baqal Wrote: It would entirely depend on location.And that's objective beauty for you. Each society will make a standard for the ideal beauty, both male and female, and it will vary around the world. The same can be said for objective morality, there might be a society where murder will be considered morally correct, but on western communities it isn't, that's what matters to me. The standard of beauty I'm talking about is the objective type for western societies. It may not be for others. I'm talking about objective beauty, not absolute (eg one that exists all around the world)
And you seem to be talking about the western standard of beauty, which seems to be more and more present around the world.
Do you think overweight women are ugly? Mauritanian and Nigerian people will not agree with you. Do you think women with long necks are ugly? The Pa Dong will not agree with you. Do you think scarred women are ugly? The Ethiopians will not agree with you.
I don't care what they think over Ethiopia, I care about what the society I live in thinks, and to deny there is no pattern of objective beauty is wishful thinking at best. The day everyone can become a model because all 'beauties' are appreciated, then we can talk about subjective beauty.
Nor does discovering what human traits many people call beautiful establish a global standard for beauty in art.