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Is art subjective?
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RE: Is art subjective?
(August 16, 2014 at 10:48 am)Baqal Wrote: There is no objective beauty.
The fact that there are a lot of supposedly "objective" definitions of what is beautiful and what isn't shows further that beauty is entirely subjective and depends on the culture and location.

(August 16, 2014 at 10:43 am)Blackout Wrote: The fact beauty varies within culture does not make it subjective, it's still objective to a certain culture. You're confusing absolute beauty with objective beauty. If 99% of people in society A consider beauty B to be beautiful, then it's an objective beauty standard for society A, and 1% of disagreement won't erase the general rule
An objective standard never has no inconsistency or disagreement within itself. You also seem to appeal to popularity.
I'm not appealing to popularity, but to chemical reactions most people's brains have when confronted with a set of beauty.

What I'm stating is that a small tiny fraction of beauty can be considered objective within a culture, most beauty will be subjective.

The fact 1% of people disagree doesn't erase the general rule of reactions people have when exposed to certain patterns of beauty. Let's make the analogy with moral values. Let's say 90% of people consider murder or child molesting wrong and 10% consider it right. Does that mean raping children or murdering can be a morally correct act? And if it's entirely subjective, why has it been made illegal in most countries?

By the way, a lot of men like overweight women on western societies, just not morbidly obese. The western beauty is related to health. Most people don't like overweight people because it's a sign of unhealthy behaviour. In those you mentioned states, being overweight is mostly a sign of wealth and beauty, just like in Europe it was once, but it faded away once countries developed themselves.

I could go on arguing on this but it has become completely useless, I probably won't change my mind and you won't change yours.

I'll just say one of my subjective appreciations of beauty - I really like slim women, more than extremely curvy big boobs ones. This is unpopular since the rule between males is curvy women, porn star type.
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Is art subjective? - by LivingNumbers - August 16, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Tobie - August 16, 2014 at 4:37 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Anomalocaris - August 16, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Zidneya - August 16, 2014 at 4:44 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 8:44 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by downbeatplumb - August 16, 2014 at 9:21 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Anomalocaris - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Michael - August 16, 2014 at 9:51 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:23 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:34 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 17, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2014 at 10:00 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:44 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by stonedape - August 17, 2014 at 1:10 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Whateverist - August 17, 2014 at 1:25 am

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