(August 16, 2014 at 11:42 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not making any equivocations, I made it clear (on plenty of occasions) I wasn't talking about "faith" in the religious sense on the word.
Fine. Then you were misapplying it in reference to faith healing, not the placebo effect. Simply reversing the intended meaning doesn't make the problem go away, it just means you're misusing terms in a different manner.
The faith in faith healing is very different from the belief present in the placebo effect, because only the latter has any form of verifiable evidence behind it.
Quote:Faith and Belief are one and the same.
Whatever, I'm not going to quibble over word usage because that's not the issue here. The issue is that you're pretending not to see an appreciable difference between capital F faith based on nothing at all, and colloquial "faith" based on reasonable expectations of scientific accuracy which is itself based on repeated, observable successes.
Quote:I'm sure you realize that the Bible is translated into English from Hebrew and Greek.
In Hebrew the word for faith is trust, so "faithful servant" in the KJV, is translated from "trustworthy servant" in Hebrew. Likewise in the New Testament, the Greek word for "Belief" (πίστις) is translated into "faith" in the KJV.
It was probably easier to have that lowercase sense of faith in the divine in the context of those accounts, where within the narrative universe of the old and new testament these magic claims actually did have some evidence for them. Such things are not present today, nor are they verifiable in the past, and so to use the words in the same sense now means you're using them inappropriately.
Quote:Atheists can have faith. None of you can say that you know for absolute certain that there is no God, you make the choice to "believe" there is no God.
I don't think you know very much about what atheists believe, here. Most of us are simply withholding judgment pending actual evidence about god. Having nothing to say is not the same as saying the opposite of what you guys are saying.
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