Is art subjective?

[Baqal]

Not only acknowledged, but people respond positively to it more likely. Why do models always follow the beauty standard of proportional body and facial symmetry? Because society sees it as the ideal beauty. If we are not going to call it objective, then ideal will represent what society thinks of such beauty.

Um, it is very likely that WESTERN models will follow western beauty standards.

No, that's subjective too ;)

HA

Weak analogy fallacy. What has god got to do with beauty?
It doesn't change the fact people are more likely to respond positively to some sets of beauty.

It has nothing to do with beauty, but the fact that the majority of people will acknowledge that claim to be factually true. Why do you not agree with what the majority says on this one?

Then you corroborate with my view. The 1% of people that disagree are an exception, and exceptions do not invalidate the general rule. You and I seem to acknowledge the same pattern of beauty cherished by societies, only that you call it subjective and I call it objective. For me it's completely irrelevant what happens in the past and what will happen in the future, it's also irrelevant that other cultures think differently, I couldn't care less about them, considering that those cultures might also think genital mutilation and sexual discrimination are commendable moral acts. I determine objective beauty inside a society and a culture, on the present time. Worldwide, you are right that beauty is subjective at least for now, but inside every society there is a set of objective beauties, when everyone can become a model independently of their looks then I will believe beauty is subjective.

And I have also said that the fact that there are a lot of "objective" definitions of what is beautiful further points to that the subject of beauty is open to stacking opinions, and also creating rules a society can impose on its people.