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Do you ever doubt your atheism?
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism?
(August 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Yes, but an idiom that has historical significance as philosophers have long referred to this simple sum total (simple seems to be what we're striving at) as "God," though perhaps a name change is justified given the attributes superstitious minds have unfortunately heaped upon this incomprehensible source.
Meh, I don't assign significance to an idea or title just because it's been around for a grip.

Quote:That's a fair point; it could consist of multiple necessary parts.
-and in an effort to be giving when I receive, I suppose if one holds to reductionism there would , at some point, be some"x" that is neccessary to all of those as well...but at what point we might stop, I couldn't tell you. Reducing the irreduceable - seems to me to be a problem of limited comprehension rather than some informative concept.

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Free as in not bound by the laws of causality--which we can only deduce as a principle that applies to finite, empirical objects, because otherwise it would simply be another part of the series and must then itself have a cause--I think QM has shown that this is in fact the case with certain quantum particles coming into existence seemingly without cause, free in the correct sense.
QM, oogity boogity,, lol. QM -does- challenge us, and yet we can describe (and predict) QM in deterministic ways. This probably suggests that we don't fully understand causality, not that causality doesn't hold for some "x" - though, to be fair...we just don't know.

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It's infinitely incomprehensible in this way: If we examine "the logic of logic," we find at bottom certain paradoxes, for example, how a thing might be necessary and unconditioned, upon which all contingent and finite things depend upon, because otherwise nothing could have initiated the series; how space would seem to be infinitely divisible and yet finitely traversable between two given points, etc. While reason can lead us to concepts such as these, and in fact depends on them, it doesn't help us to comprehend them--whether it's a something that is non-spatial and non-temporal--or has existed for all eternity. I agree that it may appear

But that just might be the essence or sum-total we can arrive at being incapable of conceiving anything outside of our experience (aided by the light of reason, which can only understand objects in experience, but by doing so depends on a logic that itself depends on incomprehensible categories of existence).
That's a big chunk of comprehension you just offered for what has been described as "infinitely incomprehensible". If you wish to maintain that attribute, you're going to have to give all of that up. Let the "Infinitely incomprehensible" be, truly, incomprehensible - or drop the "infinite" bit...or perhaps, rephrase is as "currently unintelligible".

Quote:Fucking Immanuel Kant.
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Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 2:22 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Minimalist - August 16, 2014 at 2:57 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by rexbeccarox - August 16, 2014 at 3:02 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2014 at 3:08 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 3:46 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Tobie - August 16, 2014 at 3:44 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by ignoramus - August 16, 2014 at 6:54 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - August 16, 2014 at 8:06 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 16, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Marsellus Wallace - August 17, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Cato - August 16, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - August 16, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 8:50 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by ignoramus - August 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - August 17, 2014 at 12:54 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 17, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by ignoramus - August 17, 2014 at 2:10 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 17, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by ignoramus - August 17, 2014 at 8:08 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Little lunch - August 17, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2014 at 8:35 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - August 17, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - August 18, 2014 at 7:03 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by robvalue - September 3, 2014 at 10:45 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by vendetta - September 6, 2014 at 6:53 am
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Chas - September 6, 2014 at 7:09 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - September 6, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Chas - September 6, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - September 6, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - September 6, 2014 at 11:53 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Chas - September 6, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - September 6, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Whateverist - September 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism? - by Mudhammam - September 6, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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