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Is art subjective?
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RE: Is art subjective?
(August 16, 2014 at 10:43 am)Blackout Wrote:
(August 16, 2014 at 10:39 am)bennyboy Wrote: Yes, you could become a model with those traits, if you were in a culture where those traits were considered beautiful.

The fact beauty varies within culture does not make it subjective, it's still objective to a certain culture. You're confusing absolute beauty with objective beauty. If 99% of people in society A consider beauty B to be beautiful, then it's an objective beauty standard for society A, and 1% of disagreement won't erase the general rule
You are defining beauty as "That which is called 'beautiful' by the majority of a given population." And USING THAT DEFINITION, you may be said to be right that some views of beauty are objective. As I said earlier, there can be objective measures of beauty-- but the choice of an objective system is still arbitrary. In this thread, I've used a different definition: "That which elicits emotions for which no combination of words is a sufficient description." I think this definition more accurately represents the subjective and artistic essence of the word.

Now, show me any non-subjective beauty using this definition, or explain why the definition you implied is more valid.
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Messages In This Thread
Is art subjective? - by LivingNumbers - August 16, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Mudhammam - August 16, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Tobie - August 16, 2014 at 4:37 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Anomalocaris - August 16, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Zidneya - August 16, 2014 at 4:44 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 8:44 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by downbeatplumb - August 16, 2014 at 9:21 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Anomalocaris - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Michael - August 16, 2014 at 9:51 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:23 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:34 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 16, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by bennyboy - August 17, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2014 at 10:00 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Dystopia - August 16, 2014 at 3:44 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by Baqal - August 16, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: Is art subjective? - by stonedape - August 17, 2014 at 1:10 am
RE: Is art subjective? - by Whateverist - August 17, 2014 at 1:25 am

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