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Identifying the word of god
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RE: Identifying the word of god

Equilax, As ever, I can only speak personally.

In essence, yes, I am ultimately putting my own convictions of morality before even the bible, though I let the bible help inform those convictions. Many Christians might be uncomfortable with me saying that but I think ultimately it is always us that will be the final arbiter of any moral decisions (and that includes submitting ourselves totally to the bible). I see no way to escape subjectivity, and so I embrace it and work with it.

Something I find relevant here is the word obedience (that is a key word in monastic spirituality). The word comes from the Latin oboedire which, in turn, comes from ob-audire, or listen to. The Rule of St. Benedict, a key text in monastic Christianity, starts with a quote from the book of Proverbs, saying "My son, be attentive to my words; incline your ear to my sayings". For me that sums up what obedience to the bible or to the Church means; it means I am truly willing to listen. So it can challenge me; and I think that is of great value. But at the end of the day I must then follow my conscience. As Martin Luther famously is said to have said, when opposing the Church of his day, "Here I stand, I can do no other". Or, as the more subtle thinker and diplomat, John Henry Newman, said "I toast the Pope, but to conscience first".

People may see that either as a low view of the bible and of the Church, or a high view of a developed conscience. I'll leave others to make that judgement.
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Identifying the word of god - by robvalue - August 17, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by vorlon13 - August 17, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Dystopia - August 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Eel_LahjicK - August 17, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by ShaMan - August 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Michael - August 17, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Diablo - August 17, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Esquilax - August 18, 2014 at 6:10 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Michael - August 18, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 17, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Diablo - August 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by robvalue - August 18, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by robvalue - August 18, 2014 at 7:15 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Ben Davis - August 18, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Michael - August 18, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Ben Davis - August 28, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by DramaQueen - August 18, 2014 at 7:21 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Elskidor - August 18, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by ShaMan - August 18, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by DramaQueen - August 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Michael - August 18, 2014 at 10:38 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Whateverist - August 28, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Neo-Scholastic - September 5, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by FatAndFaithless - September 5, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Tonus - August 18, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by DramaQueen - August 18, 2014 at 11:10 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by ShaMan - August 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by ronwilliams - August 19, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 19, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by robvalue - August 19, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by jughead - August 19, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Neo-Scholastic - August 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by FatAndFaithless - August 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Lucanus - September 5, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Neo-Scholastic - September 5, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Jenny A - September 5, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Lucanus - September 5, 2014 at 6:15 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Whateverist - September 5, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: Identifying the word of god - by Simon Moon - September 5, 2014 at 6:14 pm

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