Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

It's not the quantity of sources that counts. It's the reliability of those.

Who is reliability established in your best estimation?

Even not counting the books he himself wrote, there is plenty of archeological evidence for the existence of Caesar.

You haven't really studied/looked into how ancient texts are acredited and compiled have you?

And while it's likely that a man called Jesus existed and was crucified, there's no way of knowing that the gospels are an accurate description of what he did.

actually their is. There are many supporting texts but the world dismisses them as 'religious/christian' texts because the agree with the gospels.

The book of Luke was one such text. He was not apart of the initial christian movement nor was he a jew. He was a third party historean who was sent to record what eye witnesses had to say about Christ. Which if you stop and think unless it was videoed that is how all history is recorded. (an eye witness testimony being written down by themselves or by a third party.)

There are many more manuscripts that also confirm Christ and the gospel accounts, but again because they do their considered religious texts and dismissed by people who do not want to acknoweledge Jesus as the Christ.

Eitherway to my orginal point their was proof of Jesus as their is recorded proof of col. Sanders.

Anyway, the point was not the existence of Jesus as much as your confirmation bias. Something that you haven't addressed on this whole thread. Even if you say the contrary. Because if you did in a rational way, we wouldn't be here asking you about it.

not true I have addressed this 1/2 a dozen times or more. you do not see it because you do not want to see it.

i bet. Because verse 13 destroys your arguement. Christ very clearly tells us what we are asking for and what God is offering. But i guess you already know that huh?

Still looks like vague metaphors to me.
I already quoted that verse and nothing is more vague than that. You lying sack of shit.

Verse 13If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Lol, vague metaphore huh?

You lost a foolish arguement and cant admit it.. now tell me again who lacks integrity?

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hmm...so it has to be in question form and with the appropriate quote to your text? damn, your rigid!

When you quote someone you are addressing that person's thoughts and ideas. As the original quote took the topic off track their was no reason to follow down a path that would derail the subject. Your subsequent commentary would even further derail the subject especially after the subject matter had already been addressed.

One would think you'd read everything someone writes in a thread you created and reply to whoever you feel you should.

I read the topical posts and ignore posts not addressed to me.
If you want to conspire and put to gether a plan of attack with a fellow atheist then what business of it is mine? Put together your best collabrative effort then bring your work to me.

You see, maybe it's my netiquette, but I consider the Original Poster of any given thread as a host at a meeting. Even if two persons in that meeting are talking to each other, you should listen to both of them and give your opinion, as long as it concerns the subject of the meeting... if not, then you should ask them to be quiet.

If that is what most of you do, then their is no wonder why so many threads start off in one direction and go off into so many others.

After 30 plus pages we are still on the subject of the OP. Why? because i do not bite at ever baited hook. I only address what I foresee as a topical revelant post that will allow the discussion to continue as planned.

Anyway, I see you're still not addressing the possibility that it's all in your head.
Oh, I must use a question, right then!
Q: Have you ever considered the possibility that the A/S/K methodology taps into a well known and easily exploitable mental state which exists in most of humanity's brains?

Keep reading that muliti post I did last night your answer is in there.

Doesn't it make you wonder why the same methodology can be applied to any religion? Or why it can be applied to any claim which a particular person cannot disprove? Or even why it can be applied to brainwashing?

One of my main points is that A/S/K is a methodology that we apply to anything we really want. the first 10 or so pages of this discussion centered around that fact.

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Yep, by design. Otherwise only one of us need knock and the rest would have to believe.

That doesn't make sense. God cannot simultaneously want everyone to be saved, yet guarantee that few will be by deliberate action (or non-action) on his part.

What verse in the bible makes you think God wants everyone to be saved?

For me, if He did their would be no qualifiers at all.

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Tell you what mate, he hasn't.

Let's let him decide that. Benefit of the doubt.

that is mighty white of you.

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Are you familiar with a Simulacrum? It is a very interesting phenomena that humans will do in order to believe in something. An item or idea given a certain perceptual power will influence the brain in such a way, so that the brain will in fact perceive that item's power had influence on reality. Oddly, this can explain many of the "knocking" ideals as well as holy spirit experiences. Your brain simply in order to either A. deal with cognitive dissonance or B. justify a believe will manufacture the feel or develop the perception to satisfy the conditions of the Simulacrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacrum

Interesting. Can you apply this principle to any of the 'Spiritual gifts' that i have specifically mentioned in past threads?