(August 20, 2014 at 8:27 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That, and Statler, he with the "atheists hate God" signature, expects us to take him seriously.
No I actually do not expect you to take me seriously; the irrational rarely take rationality seriously. I am simply defending my position and seeking a defense of yours. Atheists do hate God by the way.
(August 20, 2014 at 8:40 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Still a failing argument. In homosexuality, the parties involved have made informed consent. In the case of rape, consent has not been made; in the case of pedophilia, a child does not have the capacity to make informed consent.
I will simply ask again, why is consent the deciding factor? Who determined that? Asserting it does not make it so. There are plenty of rapists who disagree with you and say that consent does not matter (and probably call you a bigot and rapiphobe for “hating rapists”).
Quote: The problem with rape and pedophilia isn't the mechanical act. It's the infringement on the will (or development) of the participants. Homosexuality has no such problem.
Why is it morally wrong to infringe on the will and/or development of others? Who determined that?
(August 20, 2014 at 8:57 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: Waldorf. Are you dutch?
I love Waldorf
No sir. I love you back.
(August 21, 2014 at 1:05 am)Goosebump Wrote: I think this post has grown grossly off topic. I'm not sure if that matters for I am very new.
It tends to happen to threads I jump into. I disagree with most people in here at such a fundamental level that we end up having to chase down definitions and secondary arguments a lot. Buckle up!
(August 21, 2014 at 3:43 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Apologies. Shouldn't have taken your thread off on a tangent to this degree. Unfortunately sometimes when people post Gish gallop it dilutes threads.
On topic:
Seeking the proper usage and definitions of terms is not a “gish gallop”.
(August 21, 2014 at 4:16 am)robvalue Wrote: Polygamy allowed in the bible:
“If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.”
—Exodus 21:10
That’s not condoning polygamy; it simply is a rule for what to do if it arises. The Bible has similar rules for adultery and theft but likewise does not condone either.
Quote: “If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have bornSeeking the proper usage and definitions of terms is not a “gish gallop”. him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn.”
—Deuteronomy 21:15-16
Same as above. You need to provide a verse that says, “It’s acceptable to have multiple wives.” You will not find it.
Quote: Also many characters in the bible have multiple wives just fine without god blowing them up like he seems to often do if they step out of line.
Characters in the Bible do horrible things; that does not demonstrate the Bible condones such things.
I think this was the verse you should have read…
“And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold”- Deuteronomy 17:17 (ESV)
