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Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism
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RE: Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism
Quote:You can't put a probability on something for which you have no data.
Here's the answer, no data = non existence! That settles it. If evidence is presented I'll change my mind. This method is simple enough.

Edit - By the way, I'm 100% all the abrahamic gods don't exist, so yeah If you want to call that probability be my guest. Reasons? Incoherent characteristics and lack of evidence mainly.

(August 21, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(August 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm)Blackout Wrote: I agree partially, except that I'll make a positive claim of knowledge. I don't see reasons to treat god differently from other hypothesis who have zero evidence. If someone says 'Look there's a dragon over there' and I can't see one, I won't say 'I lack belief but I can't disprove it', I'll say 'No there isn't any dragon'. Now I'm applying this to the god hypothesis, and for me it suits the issue well... But thanks for your interesting reply!

The problem with this analogy is that the idea of god, at least the one worth contemplating, isn't an empirical notion, but rather a rational one; I think it would be more fair to compare god with say, the law of non-contradiction, or numbers, as opposed to material objects (though a dragon may be nothing more than an abstraction, its constituent parts are no less derived from empirical concepts). So, I can say, the law of non-contradiction is true, but can I provide material evidence? Can you point to any tangible object in the Universe that is a number? You can surely create a symbol that you call "5," and have it represent a quantity of similar objects, but you cannot define what "5" is apart from appealing to other numbers--and those are not in-of-themselves sufficient for conceptualizing the meaning of "5." Numbers, I reckon, exist purely in the abstract, and cannot established as actual "things," as is, say, a "cat," yet we never doubt their necessity or meaning in framing our empirical experience of the world. I think "dragon" is in the category of the latter, with "cat," while something like god would have to be akin to a principle, a law of logical necessity, that is, of an immaterial existence. Does that make any sense? Thinking

So, the question, "Is god a 'real thing'?" would find an answer similar to the inquiry: Are the 'laws of logic' 'real things'? Are numbers 'real things'? Or are they merely mental tools by which all else is made (to appear) real?

There is no use in complicating what doesn't have to be complicated. What I'm saying here is that I assume something doesn't exist if there is no evidence, treating the god hypothesis differently just because it's 'god' is in my opinion wrong and fallacious. By claiming knowledge, I recognize my assumption could be wrong, but until now I don't have reasons to think so.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism - by Dystopia - August 21, 2014 at 8:31 pm

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