RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 25, 2014 at 9:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2014 at 9:11 pm by Drich.)
(August 25, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Tobie Wrote:Quote:If the President tells one of his people to have you over to a state dinner, are you not invited over to the White House for a state dinner by the president?
Your analogy fails. If someone invites you to the White House for a state dinner, you can check if they have the authority to do so, because they would have some credentials to prove it. On top of that, no one is in any doubt that the US president exists. Someone who claims to speak for a being that has no known basis in fact is completely different.
Your analysis failed. (Moving the goal posts) The analogy was to illustrate that an invitation can indeed be extended without direct contact, and still be considered an invitation from a given individual. Which authenticity aside, it is possible to receive an invitation from a third party concerning another individual and it still be considered from the one who extended the invitation. Like it or not you can not escape the fact that this very thing happens across cultures and across time, as it spans back before Christ.
Therefore to say you have never received an invitation from God is a falsehood, as I have extended an invitation on His behalf to you in this very thread. Your participation in this thread is acknowledgment that you are aware of it.
Authenticity of said invitation is another matter all together. One that only you and God can verify.
(August 25, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(August 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Again, with the medical problem doctors were involved. The initial and subsequent diagnosis was made by a real doctors/series of doctors and support staff. 3rd party verified through the doctors office, my friends and family who help me through it..I'm sorry, I can't remember which medical problem it was, but I know that many diagnosises (what's the plural of diagnosis?? diagnoses?) are based on a statistical analysis. Something like 90% of patients suffer one fate, so that was your diagnosis. You landed on the 10%, lucky you!
No god required.
(August 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: With, messenger no other "in your own mind" symptoms ever were present before, durning the experience, or have been since present. Because I was driving this would be considered a high functioning hallucination, these don't happen in a vacuum. There are symptoms that lead upto and preceed these types of events.Messenger? the voice that told you to go to a specific diner lost in some small town and wait for something?
(Google it)
Let me guess, that small town was in the United States of America? Where so many people are christian.. something christianity-related was bound to come up and you had to dive right into someone else's business and tell them what they wanted to hear, huh?
No god required.
(August 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: The hell experience again happened years before I had a complete biblical understanding of the place. I thought it to be caves of red fiery rock pits of lava and demons tormenting people in various devices. Found out it was completely different, and over time verified it through scripture.Or maybe not.
Experienced happened before knoweledge of the experience verified it...
You were brought up in a christian society, were you not?
You could have come across that biblical description some time in your past and payed no mind, but it got stored and then your dream resurfaced that memory.
No god required.
(August 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: So to directly answer your question. Yes I have considered whether or not all of these things just happened in my head. I have since come to the conclusion no they have not, as per the reasons listed above..
And as I showed, it is possible that each event had elements of "in your head" and luck or statistical likelihood.... no god required in any of the cases.
(August 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: I have a dozen or so more experiences some I am willing to share while other you need to be here with me to see for yourself. Again all of it verifiable.
To be there is kinda difficult... there's a whole ocean in between and I'm not exactly in a state where I can spend the amount of money and time required to go there.
But I'd like to hear about the others!
I can't tell you that those things happened this or that way, but I can provide you with a possible explanation where no god is required.
You can dismiss it, of course, or add further information for me to refine my possible explanation.
What makes you think that any of the evidences I have received were for you to verify the existence of God?
These are the things I needed, they weren't for you. I shared them only to one end. To show you the the Holy Spirit will Taylor an experience that you need to establish and maintain your own relationship.
I have said over and over and over and over again, that God does not deal in absolute proofs. He gives just enough for one person to establish and maintain one belief. That means each of us has to approach God on our own. Otherwise if there were absolute proof, then the one choice we have been given in this life would then be gone.