(August 21, 2014 at 10:33 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: ...is a curious thing to me sometimes.
I was a conservative once but I was a lot more logically consistent in my positions. That's probably why that center didn't hold and I'm a liberal today.
Does anyone remember when I made my proposal as the way to save our democracy, to have our leaders care more about voters than lobbyists, to have substantive discussions replace 30-second soundbytes, to have everyone's voice count and not just those rich enough to buy the airwaves, to remove much of the money and corruption that has become expected practice in our current government?
I proposed a constitutional amendment banning paid political advertisement, replacing campaign ads with bi-weekly debates between candidates conducted under oath.
Needless to say, conservatives on this forum didn't like that proposal. It was "censorship" and a suspension of "free speech".
These same conservatives now say, "you know, free speech has limits" justifying the police actions against protesters in Ferguson.
So, when rich people buy elections, that's "free speech" which can't be restricted.
But when poor people demonstrate in public areas, that's when "free speech has limits".
When you say 'these same conservatives' who exactly do you mean? Conservatism in the United States covers a wide swath of people who have a variety of opinions that aren't uniform. Are there specific conservatives on these boards who said that then maybe you could just quote them specifically to make your point.
Otherwise it seems like you are generalizing to try to make a point which is somewhat lost, especially given that there has been heavy criticism of police action in Ferguson from many people on the right:
http://www.cato.org/blog/police-militari...nationwide
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/cupcake-t...-1.9108698
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...-justified
Now I respect your intellectual credibility, especially when it comes to religious matters, where you seem very well read. Sometimes though when you write about political matters it seems as though all of your information comes from left-wing sources and your idea of what conservatives believe comes from the strawman presented by Jon Stewart and others. Maybe you would benefit at least from the idea that conservatism is a diverse group of people and who espouse different ideas and when you say that conservatives say this and that and are being inconsistent blah blah blah, it's just a slightly more wordy version of Minimalist saying Conservalibertanazis (or whatever) and being done with it. If you want to actually put thought into political posts it benefits to discover people's actual point of views and why they have them, and that starts by reading what they have to say, not what others have to say about them.
So just to make clear there is plenty of moral consistency on the right. If you are expecting moral consistency from every single conservative it would be as absurd as expecting every politician to be honest. The other thing is that if their positions on free speech is inconsistent then it would be equally true that your own position would be inconsistent. Both are different forms of political free speech.
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