One thing I find encouraging on here!

[Tobie]

God says in scripture that you do, He is infallible, you’re fallible who do you think I am going to believe?

Reality trumps scripture.

*Sigh* Circular reasoning is not actually logically invalid (something is invalid in logic if the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premises). In circular reasoning the conclusion is simply a restatement of a premise so it does not prove anything, but it is not logically invalid. Of course none of my premises are restated in my conclusion so this is not an example of circular reasoning. My syllogism is valid because if the premises are true then the conclusion must also be true.

I’ll give you another one…

P1 If Yahweh exists, then no other gods exist
P2 Yahweh exists
C. Therefore, no other gods exist.

Even Wikipedia-which is beloved by atheists on here- agrees with me.


“The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade.”- Wikipedia, “Circular Reasoning”

I made bold the main thing wrong with your logic. Starting with an unproven premise does not make a very good argument. Using your brand of logic, you can "prove" just about anything you want to. Does that seem like a sound method of reasoning to you?

Also, try googling "define atheism". The results are almost exclusively atheism=disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods. Don't try and tell us what we think because it fits in with your particular delusion.