RE: Only man is fit to be God.
August 31, 2014 at 12:07 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2014 at 12:21 pm by Drich.)
(August 31, 2014 at 11:41 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Will I hear a recant for the following that says you are wrong?trees do not produce copies, they produce fruit. One way to demonstrate this is that is not every fruit from a given tree looks or even tastes the same. Nor does a copy of a given fruit grown from the same branch year after year.
That would take an honest person and I do not think that that is you.
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Quote:Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit.you are either very dishonest, or very slow in your basic reading comprehension.
If you believe scriptures that say God is perfect that is.
I said God only created one man, and subsequently every man who follows is a copy of that first man. Again nothing in the bible says copies of copies retain their integrity.
Further more the passage in mat 7 and 12 were both taken out of context. Christ is not saying God is the tree and we are the fruit. In both instances Christ is saying we are the trees and out deeds are the fruit.
Quote:Deuteronomy 32:4What are you a Muslim turn prosperity Christian turned atheist?
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:
Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
You have been soundly refuted as the above says that God's copies from Adam on have to be perfect and if not then you God is corrupted.
I see the typical Muslim quoting of random passages in an attempt to confuse and silence, by the proclamation of enlightenment in seemingly random scripture, and then I see the typical name and claim victory of a foolish prosperity doctrine.. Your going to have to try a little harder than that to make me go away sport.
Everything you've said has fallen on your face, even your crap videos have fallen short. No amount of posturing nor posting of videos will save your arguement from me. Because bottom line you made a claim about the bible, and it all comes down to you providing book chapter and verse in said bible to justify your claim otherwise know your efforts are little more than wishful thinking and the demonstration of a willing to sacrifice one integrity to sell a given pov despite what the actual evidence shows.
(August 31, 2014 at 11:43 am)Greatest I am Wrote:Everyone is entitled to an opinion, here is what I think about what you think of Christianity.(August 31, 2014 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote: I guess your not familiar with the message of the gospels then?
You know the bit where is says:" fore God so loved the world that He gave his only son, that who so ever shall believe in Him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life?"
That one verse creates a new paradigm therefore a completely new religion. What links us to the destruction of the OT is in the word parish. To perish is to feel the wrath of God if belief in His son is not secured. To which I have no issue with that. Because simply put i do not want to spend eternity with everyone who has ever lived. Some of people simply need to 'perish.'
How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?
Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw
I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.
In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?
Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?
If and when you say yes, you become his.
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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.
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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.
Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.
Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?
Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?
Your cowardly God did not.
Regards
DL
How ever you did ask one question about the need of Christ's sacrifice.
Christ died so you may understand what it Cost the Father to forgive your sins.
The death on the cross is a physical representation of the pain and loss God endured. In return for attonement God simply asks you acknoweledge what it has cost Him.
(August 31, 2014 at 11:44 am)Losty Wrote: Whoa oh ok. So your point is that they were murdered but they weren't innocent.
All of them? Even the babies and young children?
Who but God can know what or who a baby will grow up to be?
If you could kill baby hitler would you, or would you let millions die so you could self righteously proclaim you killed a man who slaughtered millions?
(August 31, 2014 at 11:47 am)Tobie Wrote: So you've reached confirmation bias. I guess that killing people because they happen to live in a particular area is justified? You're getting in to genocide apologetics now Drich.
What about the infamous passage Psalms 137:9; Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks!?
You do know what a psalm is right?
It's not a rule or command. It is a song or a word of praise. This is what the Jews were singing in worship to God.
(August 31, 2014 at 11:49 am)Losty Wrote: I'm so glad that we don't have to live in a world with a god like that.
That is exactly what Hell is for. Because God knew not everyone would want to live in His world.
(August 31, 2014 at 11:54 am)Tobie Wrote:Quote:Define murder.
Murder; the unlawful killing of a person with malice aforethought.
Are you saying slaughter of people based on where they live is not unlawful, and has no malice aforethought? Or blessing people who smash babies against rocks?
No.
Murder is an unlawful premeditated killing of another human being.
In OT times God was the law, therefore any killing order by God was sanctioned/lawful. Even smashing babies against rocks.