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Science, faith, and theists
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RE: Science, faith, and theists
(September 5, 2014 at 1:26 am)Michael Wrote: So these are not unreasonable premises for a prima facie case.
Sure, for a cause. Creator doesn't follow.

Quote:They appear, at face value at least, to be supported by our view of science and give us sufficient interest to want to go further. I see syllogisms like this not as proof, but as showing faith in a creator (or, using this syllogism alone, a creative cause) is not unreasonable.
Except for the massive leap you took. Your syllogism would make acceptance of a cause "not unreasonable", sure. I suspect that we're going to go off the deep end when we try to make this syllogism stretch.

Quote: So one attribute we assign to 'God' is the creative cause of the universe. So again the question comes back to how do we, in the lab, test between these and any other alternative plausible hypotheses (such as an infinite regress of universes)?
-Or waffles being the cause- your syllogism allows for that equally as well as the god you want to plug in. You set the bar too high to start, it's not god or infinite regress. We haven't left god or breakfast food territory yet.
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Science, faith, and theists - by Natachan - August 31, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 1, 2014 at 2:24 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Brian37 - September 4, 2014 at 7:29 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 7:50 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Brian37 - September 4, 2014 at 7:53 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 7:58 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Ben Davis - September 4, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Brian37 - September 4, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Ben Davis - September 4, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Minimalist - September 5, 2014 at 2:26 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Tonus - September 4, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Minimalist - September 1, 2014 at 2:29 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Natachan - September 3, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Surgenator - September 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 3:44 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Diablo - September 3, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 3, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 4, 2014 at 4:39 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 5:23 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Cato - September 4, 2014 at 6:25 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 7:10 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Cato - September 4, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Brian37 - September 4, 2014 at 7:58 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Dawsonite - September 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 11:15 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Little lunch - September 4, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Diablo - September 4, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Diablo - September 4, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Diablo - September 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Brian37 - September 4, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Ben Davis - September 5, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by FreeTony - September 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 5, 2014 at 1:26 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Dawsonite - September 5, 2014 at 7:42 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Cato - September 5, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Dawsonite - September 5, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Cato - September 5, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Dawsonite - September 5, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Cato - September 5, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Dawsonite - September 5, 2014 at 3:14 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Tonus - September 5, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by naimless - September 5, 2014 at 4:26 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 5, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Ben Davis - September 5, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Tonus - September 5, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 5, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Simon Moon - September 5, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Tonus - September 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Michael - September 5, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Science, faith, and theists - by Simon Moon - September 5, 2014 at 1:35 pm

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