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Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God?
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RE: Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God?
(June 9, 2010 at 7:58 pm)Caecilian Wrote: There is no real reason at all to think that the axioms that apply in our universe will necessarily apply in other universes.
(June 9, 2010 at 7:58 pm)Caecilian Wrote: Surely its because thats the way our universe works. If the axioms that applied to our universe were different, then they'd be 'self-evident'.
Excellent point. You may have totally different deduced theorems and theories in another universe.
Therefore if every universe has its own set of axioms, then every universe should be logical.
Even a universe with an empty set of axioms has an axiom, since the axiom is the proposition of having an empty set.

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If you ask an ancient man, "Why is the feather falling slower than the rock?", the man will answer because the feather is less massive. His answer is logical for him. If you directly say, without any explanation, that air resistance makes the feather's falling velocity slower, then the person will think that what you've said is illogical, because he can't easily or has no reason to conceive that earth attracts both masses with the same acceleration rate during the absence of air. Conclusion: he's ignorant.

To put it on the other way, when you're able to enter another universe with totally different axioms, then at the very first moment you're totally ignorant of the new observed universe. In that universe, events occur while you have no explanation for them since they do not match to your knowledge and therefore appear illogical to you. As time passes, you think and begin understanding the universe, and therefore deducing from universe's axioms in order to think logically.
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RE: Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God? - by Ramsin.Kh - June 9, 2010 at 9:45 pm

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