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What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 9:50 am
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Premise: For something to be itself is logical, for something to not be itself is illogical.
Argument: Everything that exists is itself. Nothing exists that is not itself.
Conclusion: Therefore everything is logical. Nothing is illogical.
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I find this argument.......................illogical.
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 12:20 pm
The argument is valid. Do you object to the soundness of the premise?
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 12:27 pm
(December 29, 2010 at 12:20 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: The argument is valid. Do you object to the soundness of the premise?
Yes, it is overly simplistic.
'A sighted blind man' is a contradiction and so is illogical.
Therefore something can be described that is illogical.
'Intelligent Sarah palin supporter' is another one.
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm
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A sighted blind man cannot exist. He can only exist if he is logical.
The statement logically contradicts itself but the statement itself logically exists without contradiction, and what the statement refers to isn't illogical because it isn't anything, it doesn't exist because it, logically, can't.
My premise was: "For something to be itself is logical, for something to not be itself is illogical." - So why do you object to the soundness of that? How is it not logical for something to be itself? It is surely illogical for something to NOT be itself is it not?
Something can't illogically contradict itself, because that would mean it didn't actually contradict itself.... which means it would be itself which would be logical and not illogical.
A logical contradiction is, logically, a logical one - otherwise it's not a logical contradiction..... so when something doesn't make logical sense that doesn't actually mean it is illogical. Nothing is TRULY illogical.
If something is illogical it can't be itself.
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 12:56 pm
1. Elvis shakes
2. Jell-o shakes
3. Elvis is Jell-o
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 1:26 pm
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Unlike that argument.... my argument is valid.
I start with the premise that if something is logical, it is itself (and if something is illogical, it isn't itself).
I then argue that everything that exists is itself (and everything that doesn't exist isn't itself).
So I then conclude that everything is logical (and nothing is illogical).
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 1:50 pm
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If by logical, you mean 'obeys the law of identity', then yes, everything is logical. A statement, however, can still have illogical content by contradicting itself: the subject of the sentence would then presumably be illogical, but not the statement itself. So you're right, and it's an interesting though, though I'm not sure what it proves.
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RE: What is illogical? Nothing?
December 29, 2010 at 1:57 pm
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Everything always obeys the law of identity,
The law of identity is always logical,
Everything is always logical.
