Of course I am prepared to listen, I very much appreciate the time and emotion invested in this conversation.
I am not saying the absolute and rude things you hear me saying. I don't think all gays are anything. i certainly don't think less of any one individual because of anothers actions. I assure you that the horror story about gayness in my workplace and getting far preferential treatment is sadly true. It sounds like I stand there and whimper while he molests me, and there is a lot more threat of violence than that... But that's a side. I don't hold you somehow accountable for Jack's behavior, but it does hurt my ability to try to be less uncomfortable around homosexuality.
As the story was trying to illustrate, in Canada, or at least Ontario, gays in my workplace get excluded form what are zero tolerance policies only because of fear of legal retribution. That is not discrimination (or it is, but very positive...), that is pandering. So I hear you that gayness is shunned in Bean-Town, I beleive you've I've been there and all around there. It's worse further South. But up here, we're all progressive and shit. Same as how I love in a dominantly secular community, and you don't.
I certainly don't insist it's a choice, I am skeptical that it is wholly genetic, or that we are wholly irresponsible for it. That it may be somewhat in our control. But I don't insist anything. I am curious, I don't know the answers. You seem so tooled up to fight gay bashers that you aren't perfectly cogent. I understand that you are involved, I know how it feels to care that deeply.
"You'd think I was asking for the sun not to come up tomorrow to ask for gays to be considered just people,"
You'd think I was demanding that gays are not people to ask if gayness may not be wholly genetic. I never once said they are lesser. I reiterate that I extend whatever rights I demand for myself to everyone else until they break the rules. As is the nature of rights. Gay people, by myself, are not unfairly discriminated against based on their gayness. Not even Jack. But I will break his nose one day, and the others won't.
I just wonder two things, and thought this was a time to ask. What of the accent, or may be more aptly mannerism? And what of the genetic question, bearing in mind that is has to be the least selected for thing biologically. But not as far as that it is unnatural, or wrong. Just not selected for. A bad fate for passing on your genes. No more, no less.
You have answered my questions, that I assure you hold no hidden agenda of hatred, with 'there is no accent' and 'how dare you discriminate against us'. I appreciate the effort, the other 2 times I had this same conversation with two homosexual people I know it went about as well. No, one was far stupider (not that you're stupid, you certainly aren't), with saying it was chromosomal. Like he was a girl. I think I can take that debate.
Thank you again Eilo. The madder you get, and the more you decide you hate me, the more I like you. I hate me too, we can gab about it. Remember when I called Adrian a lamprey. Scathing!
-Pip
I am not saying the absolute and rude things you hear me saying. I don't think all gays are anything. i certainly don't think less of any one individual because of anothers actions. I assure you that the horror story about gayness in my workplace and getting far preferential treatment is sadly true. It sounds like I stand there and whimper while he molests me, and there is a lot more threat of violence than that... But that's a side. I don't hold you somehow accountable for Jack's behavior, but it does hurt my ability to try to be less uncomfortable around homosexuality.
As the story was trying to illustrate, in Canada, or at least Ontario, gays in my workplace get excluded form what are zero tolerance policies only because of fear of legal retribution. That is not discrimination (or it is, but very positive...), that is pandering. So I hear you that gayness is shunned in Bean-Town, I beleive you've I've been there and all around there. It's worse further South. But up here, we're all progressive and shit. Same as how I love in a dominantly secular community, and you don't.
I certainly don't insist it's a choice, I am skeptical that it is wholly genetic, or that we are wholly irresponsible for it. That it may be somewhat in our control. But I don't insist anything. I am curious, I don't know the answers. You seem so tooled up to fight gay bashers that you aren't perfectly cogent. I understand that you are involved, I know how it feels to care that deeply.
"You'd think I was asking for the sun not to come up tomorrow to ask for gays to be considered just people,"
You'd think I was demanding that gays are not people to ask if gayness may not be wholly genetic. I never once said they are lesser. I reiterate that I extend whatever rights I demand for myself to everyone else until they break the rules. As is the nature of rights. Gay people, by myself, are not unfairly discriminated against based on their gayness. Not even Jack. But I will break his nose one day, and the others won't.
I just wonder two things, and thought this was a time to ask. What of the accent, or may be more aptly mannerism? And what of the genetic question, bearing in mind that is has to be the least selected for thing biologically. But not as far as that it is unnatural, or wrong. Just not selected for. A bad fate for passing on your genes. No more, no less.
You have answered my questions, that I assure you hold no hidden agenda of hatred, with 'there is no accent' and 'how dare you discriminate against us'. I appreciate the effort, the other 2 times I had this same conversation with two homosexual people I know it went about as well. No, one was far stupider (not that you're stupid, you certainly aren't), with saying it was chromosomal. Like he was a girl. I think I can take that debate.
Thank you again Eilo. The madder you get, and the more you decide you hate me, the more I like you. I hate me too, we can gab about it. Remember when I called Adrian a lamprey. Scathing!
-Pip
