RE: Can Christians be humanists and moralists?
September 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm by Mudhammam.)
(September 10, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Natachan Wrote: As humanism was originally a Protestant movement, yes.
Really? I take it you must be talking about more recent liberal Christians who saw fit to render the monstrous deity of the Old Testament and the fire-and-brimstone threats of the New as harmless mythologies? Because otherwise I couldn't think of more diametrically opposed ideologies.
(September 10, 2014 at 11:48 am)Esquilax Wrote: In answer to the OP, I rather think most christians do consider themselves to be humanist and moralist- at least within the context of the good we associate with those terms. It's just that their view of reality incorporates a number of things that we atheists don't believe exist, and those things present their own moral considerations that, as often nonsensical as they are to us, are entirely consistent within the personal interpretation of christianity that a given theist believes.
Basically, yes christians can be humanists and moralists, it's just that the way they go about being such begins with a different set of priorities that sometimes contradict what we think of as being humanist.
But whereas a Christian would likely see the imprisonment of a young woman and her dispersal from her family for opting to remove the unsentient clump of cells that they call a baby from her body as a moral victory, or embrace submission and meekness in the face of tyrannical threats over any form of rebellion and armed resolve as obedience to God's commands (a supreme, glorified tyranny in-of-itself) and hence--this is the kicker--guarantee their treasure where moths cannot destroy, as in, encourage otherworldly-mindedness in themselves and their brethen even when it is the present world that actually demands their hearts and minds, I propose that all of this detracts from a better, more authentic, more humane conception of morality; one which their atheist and free thinking counterparts have the liberty to invent and improve.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza