Should man rule over women for women’s own good?

[orangebox21]

A command does not necessitate the commanded response. A command accompanied by a threat (like hell) is duress and it does/can take away your choice.

hypocrite. You forgot the threat.

But you did not say do them or I will die and that is what your God did.

If I would have added 'or you will die' to the command to do jumping jacks, does that necessitate that you did them?

That definitely annuls free and unhampered choice. Right?

To add 'free and unhampered' as qualifiers of choice is moving the goal posts. The argument here is: does a command take away choice. I have shown that it does not. You certainly can amend your claim to read: a command takes away free and unhampered choice. It is different argument.

This is just my opinion but I think this is why you and Losty are arguing that the command necessitates the commanded response. Both of you have a hidden premise in your argument. Namely that if there is a consequence to not making a choice that is extremely severe, it negates our 'free choice' and necessitates the commanded action. This may be true from an emotional perspective, in that we feel like we don't have a choice, but is not true logically, in that it necessitates our choice.

It doesn't technically take away your choice, but it introduces a factor that can't just be waved away. If god's offer is "do as I say or I'll take away the gift of life and you'll cease to exist" he may come across as harsh but reasonable. If his offer is "do as I say or I'll torment you forever" then he comes across as cruel and heartless. That cannot be rationalized away with "but you have a choice," as far as I am concerned.

This is where it gets tricky. We must establish that a command does not necessitate the commanded response. Then we can move on to God's moral obligation.

If I were to say to you, don't stick a fork in that wall outlet [a command] or you will die [a threat]. Does that necessitate you wouldn't stick a fork in the wall outlet? No (unless you're ShaMan). Is 'or you will die' a threat, or a warning of the consequences of your actions? If you were to stick a fork into the wall outlet and as a result die would you bear the responsibility of the consequences of your choice or would I?