(September 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote:(September 10, 2014 at 9:04 am)Tonus Wrote: But when objections are made to these --particularly the first three-- then the excuses, justifications, rationalizations, and complex interpretations begin.free will is a good thing even though the exercise of it does result sometimes in a 'bad thing'; God didn't create the universe for robotic beings. when particular examples are given to prove a principle does one atheist see it and recognize that it is a logical fallacy and the kudos cabal is alerted to try to salvage the situation?
God reveals his invisible attributes through nature? Then smallpox is evidence that he's a horrific, abusive monster.
God reveals himself through a person's conscience? Then Charles Manson is evidence that god is a ruthless, maniacal killer.
God reveals himself through scripture? Hang on, let me find a copy of The Odyssey. He might come out only slightly deranged in this one.
God reveals himself through the person of Jesus Christ? And where would this person happen to be, at the moment?
Are you intentionally dodging the points Tonus made or do you not understand them? Seeing nature as theistic evidence is like looking at a pile of children's ABC blocks, you can read any message you like from the individual letters. Any particular person's interpretation will necessarily have to have an accompanying decoding rationale that is equally as invented as the purported message.
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