RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 16, 2014 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2014 at 3:13 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(September 16, 2014 at 3:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:Well, first off, linking dictionary definitions isn't worth shit here, different dictionaries have different definitions and words can have different definitions in different circumstances. So, ignoring that part of your post...(September 16, 2014 at 2:51 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yes, you are. The conclusion is that expectations and beliefs can affect these things. We don't know how, we don't know why, we don't know the mechanism or the precise conditions of the mechanism. It's an unknown. It can't be applied to your fantasy miracles.
Ok genius, if it's an unknown, how can you say for certain?
definition of miracle:
Quote:miracle
noun
1.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
definition of supernatural
Quote:supernatural
adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
Being unable to be explained scientifically is the very definition of supernatural.
I'm not certain. I literally said it's unkown. Could it be a miracle? I dunno, but seeing as we don't know how the mechanism does work, it would be intellectually dishonest to say you know how it works and that it's a miracle.
Also, if your definition of a miracle is just 'that which can't be explained by science', then every phenomena in history would've been considered a miracle up until the point that science could explain it. Gravity? Miraculous, until Newton described and understood it. Lightning? Well, couldn't be explained by science for a looong time, was it a miracle until then? Science has a centuries-long resume of pushing the definition of 'miracle' back and back into smaller and smaller realms, as we gain more and more understanding about the world and how it works. You're clinging to one of the last areas that science hasn't been able to penetrate and define, and calling it miracle with about as much justification as the Greek pointing to a lightning bolt and calling it Zeus.
You're saying "since I can't see a scientific explanation for it, therefore miracle". That is the crystallization of the argument from ignorance, and it's one of theism's most prevalent fallacies.
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