Christians. Could you be wrong?

[Huggy Bear]

Ok genius, if it's an unknown, how can you say for certain?

definition of miracle:


definition of supernatural


Being unable to be explained scientifically is the very definition of supernatural.

Well, first off, linking dictionary definitions isn't worth shit here, different dictionaries have different definitions and words can have different definitions in different circumstances. So, ignoring that part of your post...

I'm not certain. I literally said it's unkown. Could it be a miracle? I dunno, but seeing as we don't know how the mechanism does work, it would be intellectually dishonest to say you know how it works and that it's a miracle.

Also, if your definition of a miracle is just 'that which can't be explained by science', then every phenomena in history would've been considered a miracle up until the point that science could explain it. Gravity? Miraculous, until Newton described and understood it. Lightning? Well, couldn't be explained by science for a looong time, was it a miracle until then? Science has a centuries-long resume of pushing the definition of 'miracle' back and back into smaller and smaller realms, as we gain more and more understanding about the world and how it works. You're clinging to one of the last areas that science hasn't been able to penetrate and define, and calling it miracle with about as much justification as the Greek pointing to a lightning bolt and calling it Zeus.

You're saying "since I can't see a scientific explanation for it, therefore miracle". That is the crystallization of the argument from ignorance, and it's one of theism's most prevalent fallacies.

Those definitions were from dictionary.com.

It's very simple, if something cannot be explained by natural laws, then it falls under the definition of supernatural.

I believe ancient peoples knew the concept of naturally occurring phenomena the Bible, for instance, never describes lightning as being supernatural, and the torah (first five books of the bible) is far older than the ancient Greek civilization. I don't believe anyone could explain how fire worked, but it wasn't considered miraculous either. Take the burning bush for example, the supernatural part was not the fire, it was the fire not burning the bush.