(September 17, 2014 at 8:42 pm)snowtracks Wrote: “The universe was framed by God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” that means no space, time, matter, and energy. --- it's called creation ex nihilo (latin for “creation from nothing”).So then, something can come from nothing?
But, yet, they argue that the universe couldn't have come from nothing, so God must have created it....

I'm getting confused, which way is it you guys lean?