The Original Messages of Religion

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Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into tempation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

In the bold parts this prayer often said by Christians venerates not only a god, but also forgiveness and good morality. If you had a slight inclination of what is written in the New Testament it talks of a man who sacrificed himself for the salvation of all humanity.

Its not good morality - its a brand of particularly bad morality. It portrays humans as weak-willed and impotent - incapable of earning a living on their own and without any self-control. The idea is not to avoid temptation but to indulge in it in such a way so as to make the experience more fulfilling and long-lasting. You should not credit someone else with your achievement, but build your self-esteem on it. As for forgiveness - the idea of forgiving someone who hasn't made up for his actions - or even tried to - is an affront to one's sense of justice. To top it all off, the thing about venerating the scapegoating of one man so that others get a get-out-of-jail-free card is simply disgusting.

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

In this Hail Mary there is acknowledgment of sin, and therefore acknowledgment that we are not perfect.

Except, apparently, the cure for imperfection is prayer. Not something that you should do to improve yourself. Not identifying how and why you are imperfect and trying to correct that - but praying. More of biblical immorality.

In fact one of the main focuses of Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism is to not sin, a famous quote by the Christian prophet/god is to 'love thy neighbor, as you love thyself' another quote is to 'turn the other cheek' this preaches non-violence when confronted with violence, compassion for our fellow men.

Really? And here I always thought that giving in to cruelty, violence or simply bullying is the wrong thing to do. If you confronted with violence and consistently give in to it, then all you are doing is encouraging the perpetrator to repeat his actions. Fighting, violently if necessary, to prevent the occurrence of violence, to prevent the harm it does, is the right thing to do.

These are all humbling virtues to observe, how could you not know this? These are among the most popular of Christian beliefs and virtues its all in their religion the same you fight against and you you could not see it? These are just the ones I remember from when I was a Catholic, I do not know enough of what Muslim or Buddhism to speak for them but on the surface they hold much of the same virtues.

These aren't virtues - they're pretensions of virtue. If you're saying that these so-called 'virtues' are something religion gives us, then I'm not taking it.

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I thought that since atheists fight against the bad qualities of religion or religion entirely that they would at least already know the good qualities of religion so I didn't think there would be a need to provide examples for something they should already know.

Still waiting. Those examples you gave are more of the bad qualities of religion.

The Christian religion from what I know is revolves around people praying to their god to help them overcome the obstacles in their life when they are not venerating him. In Islam and Christianity this god is central to their religion so it is expected that this god would help lead people.

Instead of, say, figuring it out themselves.