(September 22, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Rogue Wrote:(September 22, 2014 at 11:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yeah I dunno why OP starts with the idea that Jesus was some sort of moral exemplary, or why we would even care that he "died to save us from religion".
Why don't you ask then?
The words "moral exemplary" was not mentioned in the OP. Only the difference of a deity dying and living again compared to a human body which stays dead.
Do you like religion F&F? If not that's why it matters to you and me. I do not like religion. Religion in my world is no better than a serial killer. It has taken the lives of billions and counting.
Alright then, I'll ask you explicitly.
Quote:I believe Jesus was a man that laid his life down freely for the good of his people. This is a ultimate example of LOVE.
That's pretty high praise for someone that may or may not have existed, and certainly never did any of the things that his fanclub attributes to him (miracles, healing the sick, dying for our sins, etc). If he's not divine, not a messiah, not some sort of God-child, then he was just one of many mistaken tribal mystic leaders that have been killed throughout world history. How can you say he "laid down his life" in an expression of 'ultimate love', when his circumstances weren't any different than thousands of other cult leaders who've been executed? Why start with those assumptions? Additionally, I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Jesus was anti-religion (and even if he was, why would we care if he's just another man?).
And I'll let you conclude for yourself whether or not I like religion.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
- Thomas Jefferson