The Original Messages of Religion

[Thumpalumpacus]

Firstly I am not arguing

I'm using "argument" in the logical sense of the term, not the colloquial sense.

Secondly I was not talking down to you, I was assuming that everyone had at least a modest understanding of the New Testament. Those words were not meant to talk down to you but to express my notion (perhaps erroneously) that everyone knew about that part of the New Testament.

Nonsense. Assuming ignorance on the part of your interlocutor is insulting. What makes you think I haven't read the NT? Be specific.

Thirdly I never said these require religion rather see my first post, I said the "recitation of these virtues" or their meditation, and then I go on to say that it is wasted on the veneration of gods. When we should be more focused on the virtues themselves.

Fair enough.

Four your assumption that I had an assumption that you were somehow ignorant due to your disagreement is wrong.

No, it's not. You assumed my ignorance with no basis other than my disagreement. Quit being disingenuous.

As I never once stated that, if you are confused when I said that it was forsaken, I mean the process of recitation, which almost no atheist holds (from what I've seen) after they lose their faith. Which is why I'm trying to make a secular version of this process, that we could regain the recitation and the frame of mind, something I believe at least, to be potentially beneficial to the improvement of willpower, and if done correctly a vast amount of other things like understanding, and acceptance.

That's nice, an atheist version of prayer.

Color me unimpressed. I don't need to recite the values I hold dear in order to practice them. After all, talk is cheap. I prefer to practice my values with the people I encounter everyday. Of course, my values are internalized, so I don't need to cheerlead myself into doing what I think is the right thing.