RE: Stephen Hawking Lays It All Out
September 25, 2014 at 8:32 am
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2014 at 8:33 am by Madness20.)
(September 24, 2014 at 6:20 pm)genkaus Wrote:If there is an overall common definition of "god" through beliefs is that he's the creator, destroyer, eternal and the cause of existence. That there is the possibility? There is, it's undeniable whatsoever.(September 24, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Madness20 Wrote: The thing is, objectivelly there's nothing to really "deny" the possibility of a god.
Not true - the denial of that possibility rests within the definition of god you subscribe to.
You can always tend towards "believing" in other possibilities, but that isn't based exactly on rationality but rather emotional preference.
(September 24, 2014 at 6:20 pm)genkaus Wrote:Then we disagree in the definition of timeless, or maybe i misused it. What i meant by timeless is uncreated, eternal and obviously also creator of our "spacetime" if he's the creator of everything, but i obviously think he's also subject to his own temporal frames and changing/phase shifting.(September 24, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Madness20 Wrote: That's for sure, but "cosmological" possibility of a transcendant, timeless structure as creator of our everything
Take this definition, for example - you use the term creator, implying that you consider this timeless structure to be an agent i.e. being conscious and capable of action. However, both consciousness and action are temporal concepts - they cannot exist in a timeless state. So this definition of god refutes itself.
Ultimatelly, the only concievable answer to explain our universe is concieving that something, somehow, is uncreated, and uncreated necessarily will mean that it is eternal, always existed, not that it had a "creation" time frame.
Then we might want to qualify that "uncreated" existance: uncreated, eternal and sufficient source of all creation.
Then we might even want to extrapolate qualifications upon characteristics of that creation, but those characteristics are yet subjective, but some like "creator of order", perpetuator of the "balance"/stability to our universe, alpha and omega, etc etc.
All in all, it becomes obvious that whatever eternal existence or cause to our universe, it is an extraordinarily powerful creative structure.