RE: Why did God require a sacrifice of Himself to Himself?
June 25, 2010 at 1:57 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2010 at 1:59 am by tavarish.)
(June 25, 2010 at 12:02 am)tackattack Wrote: @Jaysyn- Sure he didn't need to give us free will, he could have just made mortal angels, more angels or some robots.
Yes, and he gives us the choice to accept him or spend eternity in (at the most optimistic) a place where you wouldn't want to be, although the Bible is a bit more colorful in descriptions.
What a loving God this is.
I can't even begin to tell you how much of a cop out this free will argument is. If God had wanted us to worship him, why didn't he make robots? I'm sure it would have turned out better, wouldn't it? It seems like the God of the Bible either doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, doesn't give a shit, or doesn't exist.
(June 25, 2010 at 12:02 am)tackattack Wrote: @Caecilian-That's why his coming is a sacrifice. I think robin williams said it best.. phenominal cosmic power, itty bitty living space. An infinite being could necessarily suffer I guess, but I'm talking about Jesus sufering.
An infinite being that could have literally solved all of man's problems and he does a bunch of parlor tricks in a place where miracle working and superstition is common. Can you get any more ambiguous? He could have solved world hunger or given insight into the world of medicine, but he decided to walk on water and turn water into wine. For the sake of argument, I'm assuming the gospels are true.
Why couldn't he, oh, I don't know, turn the shithole of a desert where he lived into a fertile land that produces crops forever? Nope, it's better to heal one or two people and then have it written about decades after the fact via a massive game of telephone. It would have been awesome if Jesus gave some insight into some scientific ventures, like the theory of relativity, or even gravity. Woops, what we got was some vague guidelines about how to treat slaves and to sell all of your shit.
Honestly? This is what happens when an infinite being comes to Earth? Especially knowing that his time is limited?
And this is supposed to be for the greater good so God can feel better about himself? How about the notion that God had to "know" what's it's like to be human and suffer? Some all-knowing deity there. "Yup, I guess being a human sucks. All is forgiven. My bad!"
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