Evidence God Exists: Part II

[tavarish]

LOL, ok so the arguement presented for the self evidence of the universe originally left out demonstratability.

No it didn't.

I wrote:

The universe - meaning reality as demonstrated by our environment - is self evident.

Aside from a little uproar then, what you're actually demonstrating are the laws, axioms and fundamental characteristics of the universe, that lead to it's demonstratability not actually demonstrating the universe as a whole.

How is the demonstrability of universal laws and fundamental characteristics of the universe NOT actually demonstrating the universe?

If I demonstrate that the characteristics of an apple exist, am I not demonstrating that the apple exists?

Existence isn't an attribute - it's the thing to which attributes apply.

So something is self evident if it conforms to a universal definition amongst consenting individuals and it's attributes are demonstrable is that about it?

Not necessarily, but in this case, such an assessment would apply. I also assume you're talking about our perception of the universe and not the universe itself.

No he's not the basis, but the yardstick by which I measure mine.

OK.

Is whatever God says moral? or is God just commanding already moral actions?