Abortion not allowed

[Jenny A]

How many kids have you adopted?

Or, as asked before, are you simply a busy-body?

Actually there is a shortage of babies for western parents, not a shortage of adoptive parents.
Only older orphans are unwanted. But I don't think that answers the moral question one way or the other.

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Well I think it is the parents' fault if they get pregnant in the first place

I'm always reluctant to get into these threads because I tread the middle line and make no one happy. But if the argument is a baby is a punishment for sex, that is one fucked up world view.

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I belief as soon as an egg is concieved it is a human being.

Gotta argue with you there too. A fertilized egg is not a thinking feeling being, let alone a human one. At very best it's a potential human.

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So the really world teaches that murder is acceptable.

If there is no person involved there is no murder. A collection of cells is not a person, even if it might become one given time.

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That is an opinion not shared by everyone. What makes it a human being?

Science says so

Really? If you mean it has human DNA, it does. Do you really believe that DNA without the physical completion of DNA make a human? That's like saying a blue-print is a house.

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What I am saying is that by letting abortions happening you are preventing the child from having a say in their murder

Again. What child. A collection of cells without a brain is not a child.

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Haven't read the entire thread so this has probably been said before but oh well. If you honestly believe that a foetus is a person with all the rights of a person then I fail to see how you have a problem with abortion. We wouldn't allow someone to kidnap someone else, hook themselves up to their kidneys and filter their blood to stay alive. Can you not see that by condemning abortion, you are giving foetuses special rights. You are giving them more rights than an actual person.

Ah, this is the argument where I get off the pro abortion bus. I'm not sure when that collection of cells becomes a person, only that it's pretty late and it has to do with brain development not cute pictures. But we give children special rights. We give them the right to housing, food, and education. We don't offer those as rights to grown-ups. Why? Because they can't be expected to do that for themselves until they reach maturity.

Who do we expect to do that? The parents unless a very good reason can be shown why it should be someone else and the reason usually is supposed to be in the best interests of the child. It is after all the parents who created the child.

So, what about that thinking fetus? Well until it's something much closer to a human than a fertilized egg, there is no moral question. But if the mother not only conceived it (voluntarily or otherwise) but kept it until it became something hard to distinguish from a baby, then yes she has a moral duty to deliver it. Is that a duty even if it risks her health or life? No. She's more viable and cognizant than it and therefore more valuable. But if she can deliver with minimal risk and she let it become human, yes she should deliver it.