RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 7, 2014 at 8:29 am
Then... you know... you have atheists who lived a long time ago...
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismhisto...ticism.htm
It is nothing new...
And yet, the Earth keeps turning, generations come and go...
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismhisto...ticism.htm
Quote:Aristophanes (c. 448-380 BCE)
[...]perhaps one of the earliest "burden of proof" arguments:
"Shrines! Shrines! Surely you don't believe in the gods. What's your argument? Where's your proof?"
You can hear atheists today, over two millennia later, asking the same questions and getting the same silence as an answer.
Quote:Aristotle is on this list, however, because he was also quite skeptical and critical of more traditional ideas of gods:
"Prayers and sacrifices to the gods are of no avail"
"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
"Men create gods in their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life."
So while Aristotle was by no means an "atheist" in the strictest sense, he was not a "theist" in the traditional sense
Quote:Diogenes of Sinope (412?-323 BCE)
"When I look upon seamen, men of science, and philosophers, man is the wisest of all things. When I look upon priests, prophets, and interpreters of dreams, nothing is so contemptible as a man."
Quote:Epicurus (341-270 BCE)I underlined the most relevant to the discussion at hand...
"...Men, believing in myths, will always fear something terrible, everlasting punishment as certain or probable. ...Men base all these fears not on mature opinions, but on irrational fancies, so that they are more disturbed by fear of the unknown than by facing facts. Peace of mind lies in being delivered from all these fears."
"A man cannot dispel his fear about the most important matters if he does not know what is the nature of the universe but suspects the truth of some mythical story. So that without natural science it is not possible to attain our pleasures unalloyed."
"Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. ...If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. ...If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?"
It is nothing new...
And yet, the Earth keeps turning, generations come and go...