Horrible things in the bible

[Lek]

See, this is what I mean. Retrofitting bad things into good things, rather than examining them honestly.

Also, shockingly, you're only addressing a small fraction of the point: the question you were asked was why does god instigate and participate in atrocities, and yet for some reason you opted to discuss human problems instead, despite the fact that this is clearly not what's on the table.


Do you deny that, within the context of the bible, god flooded the world and killed everyone on it? Do you deny the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Are you familiar with the civilizations destroyed at god's command? Are not those actions directly caused by god, and if so, aren't those very obviously the actual things you were being asked about?

You do this a lot, Lek, and I have to wonder why: why do you avoid questions with the same old transparent dodges, like that "I know you think god should X and Y" shit, that I've called you on before? Why is honestly approaching the actual question you've been asked so scary?

Nothing scary at all. I did address these questions. If man had not sinned, none of these atrocities would have happened. We would be as happy as Adam and Eve were originally. We could say that God makes everything happen, but if we have a free will, then we make some things happen.[/quote] I never denied the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. If I accept the bible then I accept these events. What I will say is that I don't know the mind of God. I can tell you they wouldn't haven't happened if we had not sinned, but I don't know what what was happening in God's mind at the time. People don't get too excited if God makes someone die after suffering for years with a disease, or makes someone get run over by a bus. But if a bunch of evil people get killed by fire and brimstone in Sodom, then God is causing an atrocity.