Horrible things in the bible

[Jenny A]

No according to the Bible he created Adam and Eve and they blew it. Since when is it just to punish people for the crimes of their parents let alone their remote ancestors? Or do you believe that all people commit crimes so heinous that eternal torture is just? Frankly, I don't even believe Stalin or Hitler deserve eternal torment. Eternity is as they say a very long time.

When we sin we disobey just as Adam and Eve did. I told you before that I'm not convinced that the bible teaches eternal torment. If it is true, I'll accept it, but it seems a bit much.

You may accept the idea of eternal torment for any crime, let alone the ones most people commit, but that doesn't make it remotely just.

Find me any analogous situation where you would say anything even remotely like sacrificing your own son to get someone else out of prison was a just thing.

How about this? What if I stole $1,000 from you and you pressed charges? Then my brother came to you and offered to pay you the $1,000 if you would drop the charges and you agreed?

It's not analogous. If you father said he'd fine your brother the $1000 and give it to me it'd be more like it. But we aren't talking about commuting a fine here are we? We are talking about something rather worse than the death penalty. There are good reasons why a court would let you pay your brother's fine, but not let you serve his prison term for him.

Precisely. According to you and the Bible he made the rules. So it is just like the video. Hmmm?

He made the rules, but he didn't cause us to break them.

But are the rules just? They don't appear remotely just to me.

And the U.S. government isn't forcing you to pay taxes, it's just that they'll lock you up if you don't. Right? Except that they will let you out of prison eventually and they probably won't torture you.

Yeah. The US government is much nicer than God. Of course, Al Capone had to die to get out of prison for not paying taxes.

---- It isn't saying it gave you free will to not pay your taxes. Do you think Al Capone deserved what he got? I do. And they didn't torture him at all let alone for eternity.

Suppose a man leads an otherwise blameless life yet believes in Shiva not Jesus. Is an eternal sentence just?


-----And if you are going to quote me, please quote me. K?