Horrible things in the bible

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not pulling and bait and switch. I was responding to remarks about christians. I still maintain that our view of all this stuff that has been brought out about God's actions is based on different perspectives.

Of course it is. You seem to think that might makes right -- that because your god does it, it is good.

God created all of us with the purpose of being with him for eternity.

No, he didn't. He knew ahead of time that many of us would reject him, and indeed, we are powerless to go against his plan -- his foreknowledge of human rejection, coupled with his insistence on going forward anyway with Hell, means that your god deliberately damned people to Hell for the sinful human nature that he himself created in them.

This world is all messed up and we all die one way or another.

This is because your god allegedly issued a death sentence for every human being in history, because the first two were disobedient.

If God would reach down and burn up all these ISIS guys who are causing atrocities would you complain? No matter how we die, anyone who seeks after God will spend eternity with him. That's what we live for. I'm sorry that you don't like what he's done over time, but he's the creator and he can deal with his creation as he chooses.

Yep, might makes right -- the final appeal of the amoral.

He sacrificed his son to atone for the sins of all of us because he loves us all.

I should think that love entails forgiveness. Even Paul, in Corinthians, says as much.

He made it possible for everyone to have eternal life with him--even those he violently wiped out. Since the sin of Adam, the world is not a nice place, but he's going to take us out of it.

Even before the Fall, the world had talking snakes and fallen angels wandering around.

Gosh, I wonder who put them there?

I'm not going to claim to be a christian and then pretend that the old testament doesn't exist. You've chosen not to believe in him, and that's your prerogative, but if I claim to be a christian, I must accept the God of the old testament as well as the God of the new testament. We must take God as a whole. That's just the way it is.

I take it, then, that you're fine with executing gays? Perhaps you think that women should be forced to marry their rapists?

Those were the actions of a loving and just God who wants all to be saved. People are quick to blame God, but won't take any blame upon themselves. Actions have major consequences with God, but the reward is great. You all need also need to read the new testament and view the whole story and then make your judgments.

I don't blame imaginary beings for anything; I assume responsibility for my failings. But I note how quick you are to exonerate this god of any wrong-doing even as the very book inspired by him contains a catalogue of crime unmatched by any human being who has ever lived.

Also, I, and most of us here, have read the New Testament. The god in that book is an evil asshole as well -- he just has better PR.