RE: Abortion not allowed
October 12, 2014 at 10:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 10:13 am by fr0d0.)
(October 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote:Indeed. A fertilised egg which has begun the human life cycle.(October 11, 2014 at 6:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No. There's a distinction to be made between human being and person.
You are defining a single cell as a human being.
(October 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote:Good.Quote:Personhood draws in all sorts of other considerations, which is a deliberate attempt to muddy the discussion.
We are trying to clarify, not muddy.
(October 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote:Not according to a consensus of scientific opinion. Other animals can be sentient and self aware. Only a few aren't sentient. Oysters I believe feel no pain.Quote:That is: sentience, self awareness.
Those are the things that make one human.
(October 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote:You don't see how it's a person. It isn't. You don't see how it's sentient or self aware. It isn't.Quote:Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle. A human is created at that point.
I don't see how that is a human being. It is one cell.
You haven't justified your claim to anyone's satisfaction.
(October 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote: Did you know that between 11% and 22% of all pregnancies miscarry?
When a zygote splits, identical twins are created. Is each half a person?
Fraternal twins result when more than one egg is fertilized. Occasionally, those two zygotes fuse creating only one. Is it two people?
The fusion of two fertilized eggs results in a mosaic - a double set of DNA.
The fusion of two zygotes creates a chimera, a person with two sets of DNA - some cells with one set, the others with the other set.
I know very well that a percentage of pregnancies miscarry, yes.
Human life in progress from conception is still human life no matter what becomes of it.
Wikipedia Wrote:The [person] category may exclude some human entities in prenatal development, and those with extreme mental impairment.
Personhood is up for a debate, and I'm not interested in it.
Putting that aside, we still have the problem that terminating pregnancy is always terminating a human life, as defined. The weight of the moral responsibility is greatly reduced from inflicting suffering to a sentient entity, but it is there nonetheless, and felt by the parents. Any feelings of that nature have to be dealt with, and we use ethics for that purpose.