RE: David Cameron copies Ben Affleck's approach to Islamic violence
October 13, 2014 at 7:17 am
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2014 at 7:22 am by Ben Davis.)
(October 10, 2014 at 9:24 pm)ForumMember77 Wrote: Lets not beat around the bush, this is a religious war. It's born of Islam.True but an oversimplification; that's only one aspect of it. Are cycles of violence in the region fueling retaliation on all sides? What of the meddling that the UK & US did during the 70's & 80's? What of the weapon sales? What of media manipulation? What of the minimal action taken by the UN? What of the oil?
Quote:After ISIS is gone, perhaps over the years as we fight ISIS, another one will appear and another and so on. Al Qaeda/Hamas/Hezbollah/Al Shabab/PLO, just groups I could name off the top of my head and that have existed in my lifetime.Not all of those groups had the headline purpose of bringing about the new Caliphate but I get your point: unless the root causes are addressed, we'll see continuation.
Quote:More over the Muslim demographic is growing faster than every other here, this is as safe as it's ever going to be and the only time we could theoretically do something.This is a misrepresentation of islam in the UK. The majority of british muslims are opposed to the actions taken by ISIS. Also the majority do not agree with FGM, child brides or preaching terrorism. Have a look at the most recent stats and read the statements put out by the Muslim Council of Britain. The simple fact is that secular, humanitarian & enlightenment values are being readily adopted by british muslims and although there are extremist groups here, they're failing to gain ground except in the poorest, most marginalised areas of the UK (where the root cause is not islam but the same as the rise of the right: austerity politics increasing the depth of marginalisation). There are apologists in the UK who misrepresent islam in the opposite direction (e.g. the 'religion of peace' crowd). I've not seen any stats on this so I don't know what proportion of 'liberal' UK accept/support those misrepresentations. Most of the people I speak to about this have a balanced view but I don't know if that's representative.
When the Muslim demographic reaches 10 % of the UK population is it going to be easier or harder to address the problems inherent in Islam ?
Polygamy. Female genital mutilation, child brides, preaching terrorism is ok........... all practiced by this group.
Removing them of any social responsibility to change/reform their religion and forcing the rest of the UK residents to live as we do is sickening.
We are going to end up like the Balkans, or worse, Bosnia.
Quote:The last thing he needs to do is tell the truth, how many hard working Britons have to die or have their children interfered with by second/third generation immigrants before we hold them socially responsible?Our justice system clearly holds both people and systems accountable for their actions and while that system isn't perfect, that's no excuse for fear-mongering.
Quote:If he, arguably the most powerful person in politics, can be held ransom by the 4-5% Muslim demographic, what's it going to be like when they 10% or 20% ?Dave's not being held to ransom, he simply wants to avoid giving radical groups further excuses to whip up anti-governmental sentiment. That's prudent policy during war.
Quote:This demographic is growing so fast we will see horrid things happen here before we die, because nobody does anything to confront them.There are no radicalised movements in the UK that are accepted by the mainstream and there are mainstream/popular islamic groups which openly oppose extremism (e.g. MCB). Also an increase in the number of muslims doesn't necessarily mean an increase in the percentage which accept radical/extreme interpretations.
Your final 3 paragraphs are mainly rhetoric & hyperbole and make you sound like you've swallowed quite a bit of anti-islamic propaganda.
Sum ergo sum