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The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 6:35 am
I just watched a documentary series on the BBC about Xi Jinping and modern China. I was surprised to learn that there had in fact been acts of terrorism and beatings/killings of many Han Chinese by Uyghur muslims and that is the reason Xi set up the....er..."atheist conversion" camps. The documentary was very partisan in its condemnation of Xi and China yet at least exposed these acts of racist/intolerant/fundy violence perpetrated by Uyghurs.
I must confess I had no idea about any of them before, and just thought the "re-education" camps were brought about "out of the blue" as it were, and I read the "news" every day. Bias, thy name is (most) media.
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 7:24 am
(December 6, 2022 at 6:35 am)Duty Wrote: I was surprised to learn that there had in fact been acts of terrorism and beatings/killings of many Han Chinese by Uyghur muslims and that is the reason Xi set up the....er..."atheist conversion" camps.
They are "communism conversion camps" where people are taught to worship the communist leader as a perfect human and the communist party as infallible. Communists persecute people when they feel that someone has disrespected their ideology of communism or has doubted the divinity of their leader.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 8:47 am
(December 6, 2022 at 7:24 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (December 6, 2022 at 6:35 am)Duty Wrote: I was surprised to learn that there had in fact been acts of terrorism and beatings/killings of many Han Chinese by Uyghur muslims and that is the reason Xi set up the....er..."atheist conversion" camps.
They are "communism conversion camps" where people are taught to worship the communist leader as a perfect human and the communist party as infallible. Communists persecute people when they feel that someone has disrespected their ideology of communism or has doubted the divinity of their leader.
I think your confusing China with North Korea. There are as many different forms of communism as there are nominally communist states - profoundly different, in other words.
My interpretation of communism is simple -"we're all brothers and sisters, comrades, lets help eachother out!" as contrasted with the central message of democratic liberal capitalism which is "look out for number one, follow your dream (which is of course to make as much money as possible  ) and beat your neighbours at everything you can! There can be only ONE and each man for himself!"
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December 6, 2022 at 9:18 am
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(December 6, 2022 at 8:47 am)Duty Wrote: I think your confusing China with North Korea. There are as many different forms of communism as there are nominally communist states - profoundly different, in other words.
Chinese people have to worship their president and even make pilgrimages to holy sites, like the house he was born. Needless to say that they are not allowed to question him and he has positioned himself to be their ruler for life. He is constantly policing everyone to see what they are thinking.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 10:03 am
(December 6, 2022 at 9:18 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (December 6, 2022 at 8:47 am)Duty Wrote: I think your confusing China with North Korea. There are as many different forms of communism as there are nominally communist states - profoundly different, in other words.
Chinese people have to worship their president and even make pilgrimages to holy sites, like the house he was born. Needless to say that they are not allowed to question him and he has positioned himself to be their ruler for life. He is constantly policing everyone to see what they are thinking.
That video says some people CHOOSE to visit his childhood residence - that is all. There is no mention or evidence of enforced "worship" or anything of the kind. The "personality cult" theory is also without evidence - yes he is popular and idolised in many Chinese but then again how is that wrong? Perhaps it speaks volumes of the superior "brotherly" nature of communism that a titular head is roundly loved in society, rather than loathed by vaste swathes, as is the case in "each man for himself" dog eat dog capitalist democracies.
I also particularly like the part where the (American) "reporter" gleens that Xi's zero COVID policy shows he doesn't care about peoples' health when clearly the polar opposite is true. I mean for fuck's sake, put down the koolaid darling 
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 10:07 am
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Some people visit his childhood home? They said it was like Disneyland.
You also obviously missed the part where they say how it is impossible for anyone inside of China to criticize him although something like 60% of people lives in poverty. That is why they go to New Jersey, to visit a Chinese guy who criticized him and had to escape from China. Or when they talk about his cult of personality and show giant statues of him.
(December 6, 2022 at 10:03 am)Duty Wrote: There is no mention or evidence of enforced "worship" or anything of the kind. The "personality cult" theory is also without evidence -
No evidence? Then show me one newspaper or even an article from China that criticizes the president. Or go to China and start yelling on the street "President of China sucks", or just flip a middle finger to one of his many gigantic statues and see what happens to you.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 1:05 pm
The Uyghurs had/have a bog standard islamist problem. Chinas reaction is unlikely to make that better.
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December 6, 2022 at 4:53 pm
A benolavent "dictatorship" in it for LIFE - far superior to an uneducated ignorant populist vote electing George BW/Donald T/Boris J ad infinitum, IMO
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 4:58 pm
(December 6, 2022 at 4:53 pm)Duty Wrote: A benolavent "dictatorship" in it for LIFE - far superior to an uneducated ignorant populist vote electing George BW/Donald T/Boris J ad infinitum, IMO
Why would it be benevolent, and what happens if it does things that harm you? What redress do you have?
Government is power. Without a way of "throwing the bums out", government will be be captured by those who want power for their own purposes - and their purposes likely do not align with yours.
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RE: The terrorism and violence perpetrated by the Uyghurs preceding the "training camps"
December 6, 2022 at 7:16 pm
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(December 6, 2022 at 6:35 am)Duty Wrote: I just watched a documentary series on the BBC about Xi Jinping and modern China. I was surprised to learn that there had in fact been acts of terrorism and beatings/killings of many Han Chinese by Uyghur muslims and that is the reason Xi set up the....er..."atheist conversion" camps. The documentary was very partisan in its condemnation of Xi and China yet at least exposed these acts of racist/intolerant/fundy violence perpetrated by Uyghurs.
I must confess I had no idea about any of them before, and just thought the "re-education" camps were brought about "out of the blue" as it were, and I read the "news" every day. Bias, thy name is (most) media.
Thoughts?
Collective punishment is unjustified in any circumstance, just as it was in 1942 when we Americans rounded up a few hundred thousand Nisei and incarcerated them for the duration due to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
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