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Atheist Fundamentalism
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RE: Atheist Fundamentalism
(October 16, 2014 at 12:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You might be stopping short if you think of the forces of nature as limited to the four known physical forces and handful of constants. The regular operation and universal applicability of the physical laws are contingent more fundamental metaphysical principles, like the nature of causation, known only by rational reflection. The unmoved mover falls into this category of rationally because it necessarily links the potentials of sensible objects to their actualizations.

And? Your reasoning applies only to events in time, not time itself. Whereas you're attempting to establish the existence of God, all you can really accomplish is the logical demonstration of the absolutely necessary existence of some metaphysical principle or natural law.

As Schopenhauer pointed out, "The word God, honestly used, expresses such a cause of the world with the addition of personality," a move not even your Unmoved Mover can justify.

"The law of causality is therefore not so obliging as to allow itself to be used like a cab which we dismiss after we reach our destination."
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 6:29 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 14, 2014 at 6:49 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 6:57 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2014 at 7:07 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 14, 2014 at 7:14 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mister Agenda - October 14, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Esquilax - October 14, 2014 at 6:53 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 14, 2014 at 9:23 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Tonus - October 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chad32 - October 14, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by DramaQueen - October 14, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chad32 - October 14, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by DramaQueen - October 14, 2014 at 10:01 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chad32 - October 14, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 14, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mister Agenda - October 14, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 14, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Minimalist - October 14, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Thumpalumpacus - October 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 15, 2014 at 7:42 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 15, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 15, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 15, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Whateverist - October 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 16, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mudhammam - October 16, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 17, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mudhammam - October 17, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 16, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 15, 2014 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by TaraJo - October 14, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mister Agenda - October 14, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chas - October 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Minimalist - October 14, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by FatAndFaithless - October 14, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 15, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 15, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Simon Moon - October 14, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 4:03 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Simon Moon - October 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Thumpalumpacus - October 14, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Simon Moon - October 14, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 11:02 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by FatAndFaithless - October 14, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 14, 2014 at 10:55 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chas - October 15, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 15, 2014 at 9:21 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Chas - October 15, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Whateverist - October 15, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mister Agenda - October 16, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Dystopia - October 14, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by The Valkyrie - October 14, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by fr0d0 - October 14, 2014 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by The Valkyrie - October 14, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Whateverist - October 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by fr0d0 - October 15, 2014 at 5:13 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by genkaus - October 15, 2014 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Neo-Scholastic - October 15, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by DramaQueen - October 14, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by Mudhammam - October 14, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by FatAndFaithless - October 15, 2014 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by DeistPaladin - October 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Atheist Fundamentalism - by LastPoet - October 17, 2014 at 3:57 pm

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